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Zero999:
--- Quote from: magic on May 17, 2021, 03:05:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 10:17:46 am ---I've just tried it on the Winwoes 10 machine at work and I see the letters GB in different sizes, which is a little better.
Given that Unicode support is patchy across platforms: how is one supposed to know what glyphs are widely supported? I hope that the important Greek letters and symbols such as μ, Ω, π , Δ, ° etc. used in electronics widely supported, otherwise we might as well stick with plain old ASCII. :palm:
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Now you are becoming enlightened :D
I think it depends not only on OS but also on the font in use, though I may be wrong (special handling by the font renderer or whatever) and of course every desktop/mobile OS these days ships with its own default font(s) so for many users it's one and the same. I take the pragmatic approach and assume that everything that is actually useful (Latin/Greek and derivatives, most Asian runes, etc) is likely to be supported, less useful stuff (Egyptian hieroglyphs) is unlikely to be included in most fonts and silly gimmicks (emoticons, flags, pokemon) are likely to be supported by gimmicky software like the latest version of iOS.
I use Greek letters a lot and no one has ever called me out.
The country extension is utterly :palm: because you are supposed to write a country code in two English letters in some weird encoding (not the basic ASCII part), which may or may not optionally be rendered specially by software which knows the country's flag. It fails on all the original goals of Unicode, which were to reduce software bloat, provide consistent rendering of content text :rant: across platforms and enable people to use computers in their native language.
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I don't see the problem with having flags, but things such a dumb emojis are a big pile of crap. 💩. Wow, Winwoes really is shit. It supports the useless turd emoji, over country flags which actually have some use. 💩💩💩
Zero999:
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 17, 2021, 03:54:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 03:36:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: magic on May 17, 2021, 03:05:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 10:17:46 am ---I've just tried it on the Winwoes 10 machine at work and I see the letters GB in different sizes, which is a little better.
Given that Unicode support is patchy across platforms: how is one supposed to know what glyphs are widely supported? I hope that the important Greek letters and symbols such as μ, Ω, π , Δ, ° etc. used in electronics widely supported, otherwise we might as well stick with plain old ASCII. :palm:
--- End quote ---
Now you are becoming enlightened :D
I think it depends not only on OS but also on the font in use, though I may be wrong (special handling by the font renderer or whatever) and of course every desktop/mobile OS these days ships with its own default font(s) so for many users it's one and the same. I take the pragmatic approach and assume that everything that is actually useful (Latin/Greek and derivatives, most Asian runes, etc) is likely to be supported, less useful stuff (Egyptian hieroglyphs) is unlikely to be included in most fonts and silly gimmicks (emoticons, flags, pokemon) are likely to be supported by gimmicky software like the latest version of iOS.
I use Greek letters a lot and no one has ever called me out.
The country extension is utterly :palm: because you are supposed to write a country code in two English letters in some weird encoding (not the basic ASCII part), which may or may not optionally be rendered specially by software which knows the country's flag. It fails on all the original goals of Unicode, which were to reduce software bloat, provide consistent rendering of content text :rant: across platforms and enable people to use computers in their native language.
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I don't see the problem with having flags, but things such a dumb emojis are a big pile of crap. 💩. Wow, Winwoes really is shit. It supports the useless turd emoji, over country flags which actually have some use. 💩💩💩
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I don't understand - how is this a Windows thing (or lack of)?
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I'm perplexed at why any OS would go to the trouble of implementing useless parts of the Unicode standard, like turd emojis, whilst ignoring more useful things such as country flags. :palm:
TimFox:
--- Quote from: harerod on May 17, 2021, 12:34:33 pm ---[quote author=tkamiya
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For example, myself included, Japanese English speakers have problem with articles, a, an, the because it doesn't exist in their native language. I have yet to see a concise and correct definition of when and how they can be properly used.
...
Have a problem... *scnr*
ところで、日本語を大好きだよ。
よろしく、ドイツから。
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I first ran into this situation back in graduate school in the US, where a Japanese colleague would ask advice from us before submitting a technical paper for publication. When we corrected his use of articles, he naturally asked us for the grammatical rules on article usage, and none of us could find them. I then found that UK subjects would listen to "the rock music" and go "in hospital", while we Americans listen to "rock music" and go "in the hospital". I believe that the Russian language also does not use articles.
JohnnyMalaria:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 04:01:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 17, 2021, 03:54:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 03:36:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: magic on May 17, 2021, 03:05:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 10:17:46 am ---I've just tried it on the Winwoes 10 machine at work and I see the letters GB in different sizes, which is a little better.
Given that Unicode support is patchy across platforms: how is one supposed to know what glyphs are widely supported? I hope that the important Greek letters and symbols such as μ, Ω, π , Δ, ° etc. used in electronics widely supported, otherwise we might as well stick with plain old ASCII. :palm:
--- End quote ---
Now you are becoming enlightened :D
I think it depends not only on OS but also on the font in use, though I may be wrong (special handling by the font renderer or whatever) and of course every desktop/mobile OS these days ships with its own default font(s) so for many users it's one and the same. I take the pragmatic approach and assume that everything that is actually useful (Latin/Greek and derivatives, most Asian runes, etc) is likely to be supported, less useful stuff (Egyptian hieroglyphs) is unlikely to be included in most fonts and silly gimmicks (emoticons, flags, pokemon) are likely to be supported by gimmicky software like the latest version of iOS.
I use Greek letters a lot and no one has ever called me out.
The country extension is utterly :palm: because you are supposed to write a country code in two English letters in some weird encoding (not the basic ASCII part), which may or may not optionally be rendered specially by software which knows the country's flag. It fails on all the original goals of Unicode, which were to reduce software bloat, provide consistent rendering of content text :rant: across platforms and enable people to use computers in their native language.
--- End quote ---
I don't see the problem with having flags, but things such a dumb emojis are a big pile of crap. 💩. Wow, Winwoes really is shit. It supports the useless turd emoji, over country flags which actually have some use. 💩💩💩
--- End quote ---
I don't understand - how is this a Windows thing (or lack of)?
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I'm perplexed at why any OS would go to the trouble of implementing useless parts of the Unicode standard, like turd emojis, whilst ignoring more useful things such as country flags. :palm:
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Well, the two letter codes for flags aren't necessarily correct.
The Union Flag is not the flag of Great Britain (GB). It is the flag of the United Kingdom (UK). Is there a correct emoji for the flag of Great Britain (i.e., just the Cross of St. George and Saltire of St. Andrew)? If not, that's one good reason not to use emojis.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Great_Britain
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 17, 2021, 10:17:46 am ---Given that Unicode support is patchy across platforms: how is one supposed to know what glyphs are widely supported?
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Easy - don't assume, use what you really need. Simply because something is just technically possible and novel, doesn't mean you have to use it. Don't expect new features, especially unnecessary gimmicks to work.
--- Quote ---I hope that the important Greek letters and symbols such as μ, Ω, π , Δ, ° etc. used in electronics widely supported,
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Indeed, let's hope that. I think it's fairly safe assumption they work 99.99% of the time because everybody have been using computers to produce the symbols in question since 1990's, they are not some unnecessary few-years-old gimmick like the flags.
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