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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2020, 02:35:49 am »
Over here Toyota are well known for bringing in the base/basic models of a new series and dribbling onto the market over the next few years better models when the home Jap market has already had the top models for years ! :rant:
They offer what sells well in each market. No car maker offers all its options in every market. This can be frustrating if you are one of the outlier customers who wants an option that isn't offered locally, but its no different than buying clothes when you a physical outlier. It sucks, but its understandable.
To be fair that should be:
"They offer what they think will sell well in each market"
Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes.
Remember, though, that Holden had become a large importer of cars, so that by the end, the large locally built cars & utes were in the minority, & even of them, most were V6s, not V8s.
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Being both small markets and geographically distant Australians and New Zealanders have been offered weird mixes of models from manufacturers. Aside from engines and trim levels body shapes are also artificially constrained, such as wagon (estate) bodies at 3% of used cars compared to 7% in the UK. Demand is so high for wagons that they carry a significant price premium.
Historically, wagons made up a fair percentage of locally made vehicles.

By contrast, factory made wagons in the UK were rare, with most made by small  coachwork companies, & looked it, being pretty much a compromise, using the car rear doors and so on.

The only time an Australian factory did the same thing was with the FB/EK Holden wagons, & they were rightly widely criticised for it.
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And then the import/registration restrictions preventing people bringing over the models they want.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2020, 03:20:30 am »
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Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes.

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... the large locally built cars & utes were in the minority, & even of them, most were V6s, not V8s.

Wonder if these guys watched Mel Gibson and a dog kicking tail across the Australian outback in one of the last-remaining and highly coveted V8's, sometime back in 1979?
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2020, 03:26:02 am »
They also sent a few Statesman bodies complete with every thing but the engines to Mazda in Japan, who put twin rotor Wankel engines in them.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=mazda+roadpacer&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit787olt_nAhVhJzQIHcxoDRAQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1222&bih=954
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2020, 04:32:18 am »
Over here Toyota are well known for bringing in the base/basic models of a new series and dribbling onto the market over the next few years better models when the home Jap market has already had the top models for years ! :rant:
They offer what sells well in each market. No car maker offers all its options in every market. This can be frustrating if you are one of the outlier customers who wants an option that isn't offered locally, but its no different than buying clothes when you a physical outlier. It sucks, but its understandable.
To be fair that should be:
"They offer what they think will sell well in each market"
Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes.
Remember, though, that Holden had become a large importer of cars, so that by the end, the large locally built cars & utes were in the minority, & even of them, most were V6s, not V8s.
Automotive has a fairly long lead time for new product introduction/development, so things can't change quickly. But the writing was on the wall in the 90's that the Australian market was not going to stick with larger cars and voluminous+inefficient engines, that they started importing the majority is the big red flag that they failed to follow the market. I've had some contacts inside the industry and saw/heard some mind numbingly stupid ideas/decisions.

But its good to see the media picking up on the history of subsidies/grants that flowed straight though the place to the parent in the US.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2020, 05:34:02 am »

Please include a summary of videos you post, especially in a thread start.  :) It prevents everyone from having to watch to find out what's it about and a good summary with a personal view attached tends to foster better discussions.
 
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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2020, 06:14:27 am »

Please include a summary of videos you post, especially in a thread start.  :) It prevents everyone from having to watch to find out what's it about and a good summary with a personal view attached tends to foster better discussions.

Point taken. I don't think too many people really want my personal view, though I seek everyone else here's view on the particular video. I accept that perhaps I need to seed a debate more. The problem with summarizing is that there are a certain number who would watch a video, read a summary by someone else (or vice versa?) and then set about polluting the thread with semantics of said summary.

But yes, I promise to try to seed debates and walk slowly into murkier waters.

 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2020, 06:47:46 am »

Please include a summary of videos you post, especially in a thread start.  :) It prevents everyone from having to watch to find out what's it about and a good summary with a personal view attached tends to foster better discussions.

Point taken. I don't think too many people really want my personal view, though I seek everyone else here's view on the particular video. I accept that perhaps I need to seed a debate more. The problem with summarizing is that there are a certain number who would watch a video, read a summary by someone else (or vice versa?) and then set about polluting the thread with semantics of said summary.

But yes, I promise to try to seed debates and walk slowly into murkier waters.
Nah, it's only of concern for those of us downunder. The next few posts after the OP will bring any reader up to date on the content of the thread.
A general interest news topic that might interest the northern hemisphere wouldn't worry us at all and whatsmore most of us downunder couldn't give a damn.  :horse:
You keep doing it just how ya like Ed.
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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2020, 06:59:49 am »

Please include a summary of videos you post, especially in a thread start.  :) It prevents everyone from having to watch to find out what's it about and a good summary with a personal view attached tends to foster better discussions.

Point taken. I don't think too many people really want my personal view, though I seek everyone else here's view on the particular video. I accept that perhaps I need to seed a debate more. The problem with summarizing is that there are a certain number who would watch a video, read a summary by someone else (or vice versa?) and then set about polluting the thread with semantics of said summary.

But yes, I promise to try to seed debates and walk slowly into murkier waters.


Nah, it's only of concern for those of us downunder. The next few posts after the OP will bring any reader up to date on the content of the thread.
A general interest news topic that might interest the northern hemisphere wouldn't worry us at all and whatsmore most of us downunder couldn't give a damn.  :horse:
You keep doing it just how ya like Ed.

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Oh, I see. I tend to forget that those on the other side of the planet aren't getting the same news fed to them as we do. No wonder the punters were doing their lolly.

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2020, 08:02:35 pm »
Nah, it's only of concern for those of us downunder. The next few posts after the OP will bring any reader up to date on the content of the thread.
A general interest news topic that might interest the northern hemisphere wouldn't worry us at all and whatsmore most of us downunder couldn't give a damn.  :horse:
You keep doing it just how ya like Ed.
It's not a matter of locale. It's a matter of courtesy and common sense. Dumping a link or video means people have to expend time and effort to find out about the topic. Just a few lines will greatly help and also tend to foster more fruitful discussions. People get of course caught up in their enthusiasm about an interesting video or forget they're much more familiar with the subject than people encountering their thread. That's why the view from the other side helps instead of lambasting someone.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2020, 11:15:09 pm »
Youtube is blocked on this computer. I used to get a black box instead of the preview, but something has changed and now I get nothing. I asked once somewhere if there was any way the forum software could at least add a normal text link, but I don't recall any response. It's not a real problem though because I know what's going on, but a short description or comment would help to decide if it's something I might want to watch.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2020, 11:22:30 pm »
Youtube is blocked on this computer. I used to get a black box instead of the preview, but something has changed and now I get nothing. I asked once somewhere if there was any way the forum software could at least add a normal text link, but I don't recall any response. It's not a real problem though because I know what's going on, but a short description or comment would help to decide if it's something I might want to watch.
Perhaps you can quote a message with a video to recover the link that way.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 05:37:26 am »
Nah, it's only of concern for those of us downunder. The next few posts after the OP will bring any reader up to date on the content of the thread.
A general interest news topic that might interest the northern hemisphere wouldn't worry us at all and whatsmore most of us downunder couldn't give a damn.  :horse:
You keep doing it just how ya like Ed.
It's not a matter of locale. It's a matter of courtesy and common sense. Dumping a link or video means people have to expend time and effort to find out about the topic. Just a few lines will greatly help and also tend to foster more fruitful discussions. People get of course caught up in their enthusiasm about an interesting video or forget they're much more familiar with the subject than people encountering their thread. That's why the view from the other side helps instead of lambasting someone.

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 06:54:31 am »
Mr. Self Important.   ::)






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Asking some consideration for the community is very selfish, yes.  ::)
 
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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 08:06:09 am »
Mr. Self Important.   ::)






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Asking some consideration for the community is very selfish, yes.  ::)

You do you.  ;D



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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #64 on: Today at 12:55:43 am »
They sold Opel (Vauxhall) to PSA last year.
It is a smart move for them IMO,
You see it going on everywhere now, mergers even with small carshops here in the Netherlands are merged into larger dealerships.

t as I read an article today the hardware is no longer going to be the differentiator it is going to be the software and that is where these manufacturers have 0 skills and 0 people. So they need to transit from HW manufacturer to also SW company because it will take too many people to outsource that and be dependent on your income of another company.
It looks more like GM is either shaping up to be a good buy or just shedding markets where they lose money. And in the end a car is still a metal box on wheels which takes an incredible amount of logistics to build at very thin margins. Software only goes so far and likely the software will be provided by third parties where the manufacturers may receive a kick-back from services sold.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: GM walking away from Australia
« Reply #65 on: Today at 07:33:36 am »
One big reason Holden's sales plummeted was poor quality in design. Crap cars compared to Japanese or German quality cars in general. Remember the Camira :palm:? Ford was not much better with their EA Falcon door handles and head gaskets failing |O. Ford and Holden ripped off the owners on replacement parts for years where the root cause was bad design. The consumer had had a gut full. They wanted reliability.

Another reason Holden is dead is they lost sight of changes in the market. GM's marketing appealed to a shrinking demographic. The old days of "SUITS HOLDEN, FALCON, VALIANT" and "FOOTBALL, MEAT PIES, KANGAROOS AND HOLDEN CARS" are long gone but GM failed to recognise it. Holden cars are almost non-existent in this suburb where there is a high proportion of Chinese. Twenty nine percent of Australia's population was born overseas - I think Holden missed the opportunity to tap that demographic. One would lose face driving a Holden around here. Ford's are also rare. Besides, no-one wants to lose resale value or be ripped off on replacement parts.

Holden's demise is GM's own doing.

PS: I have driven the same Honda Civic for the past 12 years. Still going strong and never had a problem. Very happy with its reliability.
 


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