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Offline 001

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Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« on: January 04, 2019, 12:05:28 pm »
Hi

How legal to get free energy?
It is actually power of radiotranslators, WiFi etc
I.e. any reciver is load for theese devices isnt it?
So can bunch of many  free energy recivers recive all energy  and destroy translators?  :-//
 

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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2019, 01:34:18 pm »
Isn't that one for the Dodgy Technology section?  ::)
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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2019, 01:44:52 pm »
It's not "free energy" as such.  It still has to be generated and the efficiency of transmission and conversion is woeful.  In nearly all circumstances, it will be completely impractical.

Then there is the theoretical possibility of installing a tuned antenna close to a high power radio transmitting antenna to suck up the radiated power.  There's a whole bucketful of issues that wouldn't make such a thing practical - plus the fact that if you did do something like that, the radio shadow would soon have investigators looking for answers.

Then we can venture into the world of Nikola Tesla's remote power transmission.  Whether that will work effectively is one question.  Whether it should be used is another.


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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2019, 04:59:55 pm »
Beyond the dodgy "free energy" considerations, which is poorly named here as Brumby said, the op raises an interesting point.

Let's suppose you can get any useful amount of energy from radiated energy (or any source of energy that would be a byproduct of any privately or publicly owned contraption).
Considering the law of conservation of energy, that would probably be considered theft, thus illegal. You'd be using a fraction of the energy produced by something owned by someone else. If you can prove this energy you harvested would have been lost anyway, that may help your case but may still be considered illegal in the end. As an example, even if you waste energy as an individual (we all do), if someone finds a way to tap into your wastes without your authorization, it may be considered theft. I suppose.

Potentially interesting legal considerations anyway.

Of course, at least for now, solar and other energy sources that are not yet "owned" by anyone (let's get our hopes up not too high on this being the case forever... ;D ), then you're not stealing it from anyone.
 
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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2019, 06:02:46 pm »
As to theft, I'd have to say no.

Radiated energy, once radiated, has no owner and so cannot be stolen. It's a lot like the Garbage Doctrine: once you put your trash on the curb, you have given up your claim to it and anybody can take it.

On the other hand, there might well be some situations where you could wind up in trouble. If, for instance, you had an energy device which could suck up all of the radiated energy from a radio station, I'd expect the station to sue for interfering with their business. Here the analogy would be as if you had put a cover over a billboard, preventing anyone from reading it.
 

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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2019, 06:16:37 pm »
Radiated energy, once radiated, has no owner and so cannot be stolen. It's a lot like the Garbage Doctrine: once you put your trash on the curb, you have given up your claim to it and anybody can take it.

Radiated assumes it has left the source and capturing it cannot influence it back... e.g. photons leaving the sun, or a radio antenna. Whether you capture them or not would have no effect on the source. Now imagine you go out to your local power transmission lines and place a giant inductor around one or next to one. The magnetic field generated by the line would in turn induce current flow in your line, which would interact back on the transmission line. Essentially setting up a rudimentary transformer situation. Would this not create a change in current flow on the transmission line... Acting like a load of some kind and be detectable by the power company?

Then again, there is this:

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Re: Free energy maining as load for radio and WiFi
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 08:00:47 pm »
It seems obvious that any action that could have an influence on/interfere with the emitter (especially negative) *without formal authorization* from the owner is basically illegal. So I was not even considering those cases (which admittedly should be considered as well), but merely the question of tapping into someone else's waste in general, assuming that it doesn't do any direct harm to them. Here I consider wasted energy (for any reason) as general waste. It's still the producer(/owner) that produces it. They just don't use it for any reason (because they physically can't, because they don't care, because they could but it doesn't make economic sense, etc.) Does that mean that you are allowed to? And if you're actually making money off of it, could this not be considered a theft (unless again you got an authorization)?

Actually, on a more general level, does your waste belong to you? It's a question that is a lot more complex that it seems and largely depends on local laws and regulations. In some countries, there are laws that consider anything that has been trashed as "abandoned goods", which means the owner gives up any property right on those. That's not automatically the case everywhere and in every situation. You also have to think about liability (which comes with property). If your waste harms someone, are you liable? In many cases, you can be (at least until the property has been transfered to a waste handling company for instance, and even so, you could get in trouble).

Then the question that pops up is: is wasted energy (for instance, radiated, but there are a lot of other possible forms of wasted energy that could potentially be reused somewhat) considered abandoned? It's tempting to say yes, but it could be much trickier than it appears legally speaking. Just some food for thoughts.
 
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