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nctnico:

--- Quote from: Sigmoid on January 24, 2014, 03:50:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: KD0CAC John on January 24, 2014, 03:18:34 pm ---The real problem I see with the free energy , is that it takes away from any alternative energy sources getting a foothold and helping with are moving to better other sources , especially decentralize or distributive energy .
I think there was a point in recent history ,  that education made people resistant to BS , but the powers that be / or want to be , have use the DUMBING DOWN in the schools , to make it easier to bull crap the masses .
What is the worst thing about the believers = people who have limited knowledge fall into being sheep !
Just my understanding of why we are not reaching almost any potential , most the corruption of greed .
The classic definition of propaganda = if you can not hide the truth / you mix it with so many lies that no one will figure it out .
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Well it seems you've fallen for a bullshit of your own choosing as well - the conspiracy theory bullshit.

There is no concerted effort to make mankind stupid.

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Keeping people stupid is a well known method to control people. Look at how religion works and how religion doesn't want science to explain nature.
Sigmoid:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 24, 2014, 04:05:17 pm ---Keeping people stupid is a well known method to control people. Look at how religion works and how religion doesn't want science to explain nature.

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Which religion? Anyway, conspiracy theory and anti-establishmentism IS a religion of its own, and one of the more vicious ones.
(Even hardliner islamists tend to inoculate their children against diseases. Conspiracy theorists often don't.)
KD0CAC John:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 24, 2014, 04:05:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sigmoid on January 24, 2014, 03:50:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: KD0CAC John on January 24, 2014, 03:18:34 pm ---The real problem I see with the free energy , is that it takes away from any alternative energy sources getting a foothold and helping with are moving to better other sources , especially decentralize or distributive energy .
I think there was a point in recent history ,  that education made people resistant to BS , but the powers that be / or want to be , have use the DUMBING DOWN in the schools , to make it easier to bull crap the masses .
What is the worst thing about the believers = people who have limited knowledge fall into being sheep !
Just my understanding of why we are not reaching almost any potential , most the corruption of greed .
The classic definition of propaganda = if you can not hide the truth / you mix it with so many lies that no one will figure it out .
--- End quote ---

Well it seems you've fallen for a bullshit of your own choosing as well - the conspiracy theory bullshit.

There is no concerted effort to make mankind stupid.

--- End quote ---
Keeping people stupid is a well known method to control people. Look at how religion works and how religion doesn't want science to explain nature.

--- End quote ---


That's part of my use of the term believers , I think the potential for narrow minded thinking , or my term mono- theistic-thinking .
I would be happy to be convince that there are not some of these conspiracies , I put the challenge to you , but with the hateful tone it would be highly unlikely - starting off on the wrong foot .
I personally try to avoid even the concept of believing in my own mind and try to use in its place understanding .
Much like science vs. believing I am open to new information to calibrate my thinking vs. believing and having the blinders on and being hateful of anything that does not conform to my view .   
NiHaoMike:
First, define "free energy". Perpetual (or nearly perpetual) motion is indeed possible (the Earth orbiting in space is one!), but you can't extract energy from it and still have perpetual motion.

If you define free energy as any energy that costs nothing in itself, you actually have alternative energy.
Terabyte2007:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on January 24, 2014, 04:52:15 pm ---First, define "free energy". Perpetual (or nearly perpetual) motion is indeed possible (the Earth orbiting in space is one!), but you can't extract energy from it and still have perpetual motion.

If you define free energy as any energy that costs nothing in itself, you actually have alternative energy.

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I am mainly referring to perpetual energy or energy from apparently nothing or motion that self powers with no reduction in speed or loss. The earth is fueled by energy from the sun and other forces which influence the rotation (Even this slows over time). In space where there is zero gravity atomic particles still exist therefore collisions and some resistance will be encountered. I will admit, these forces are small but not truly perpetual. Even light traveling for millions of light years can be distorted and altered by these obstacles.

I have no problem with alternate forms of energy when they are practical and proven to work. I also agree that highly efficient forms of energy do exist, but they fall short of true perpetual.
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