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Free Energy Scams and Fakes
Mazda:
--- Quote from: Kremmen on January 28, 2014, 01:03:21 pm ---Rossi's process of turning nickel into copper..
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No , that statement is somewhat misleading/ misunderstanding : the transmutation part is more of a side-effect.
this is an interesting read :https://sites.google.com/site/lenrforthewin/home/are-low-energy-nuclear-reaction-devices-real
Marco:
I'm open minded, I'm willing to consider the possibility of LENR ... but if you think Rossi is anything but a fraud your brain flew out.
daqq:
--- Quote --- So much girder! Such complex! Very bolts!
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^-^ All in all - very wow, so money!
--- Quote ---But if those are fake they are _brilliant_ and the authors could make a living doing CGI and don't need to pretend to build... what _is_ that thing?
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A Rube Goldberg paper shredder?
--- Quote ---How about investing US$ 11 million into cold fusion (LENR):
http://coldfusion3.com/blog/it%E2%80%99s-official-us-startup-admits-to-purchasing-rossi%E2%80%99s-e-cat-lenr-technology
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I'm honestly confused about the whole Rossi thing. I'm not that much into the finer points of nuclear science to be closed to the possibility, but he seems to be getting more serious investors. Mind you, I'm having a little trouble finding ANYTHING about Industrial Heat, LLC, which is a little weird, not even having a functioning site... or any news from non-free energy sites about the tech or its investors.
Marco:
I doubt those guys running the fund have skin in the game ... the actual money almost certainly comes from people who are not sophisticated investors (probably quite a few pensioners).
Kremmen:
--- Quote from: Mazda on January 28, 2014, 02:53:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kremmen on January 28, 2014, 01:03:21 pm ---Rossi's process of turning nickel into copper..
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No , that statement is somewhat misleading/ misunderstanding : the transmutation part is more of a side-effect.
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Pardon me but it _cannot_ be a side effect if we are talking about nuclear fusion; whether cold or hot, makes no difference.
Fusion is by definition the combination of 2 (or more) precursor nuclei into one (or more) product nuclei that are a different element. Such as transmutation of hydrogen via the proton-proton interaction into helium in the sun. No transmutation - no fusion because fusion == transmutation. It is like saying that there is a new kind of fission reaction where you don't _actually_ split an atom but you call it fission anyway. Doh.
--- Quote ---this is an interesting read :https://sites.google.com/site/lenrforthewin/home/are-low-energy-nuclear-reaction-devices-real
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Sigh. Which part do you think made it interesting, actually? Because i didn't spot it. This discussion seems to be full of evasions and oxymorons like the heading itself: LOW energy nuclear reactions. Indeed. By definition nuclear reactions involving the strong interaction (such as fission and yes, fusion) are the _strongest_ interactions known to particle physics. So failure to generate huge amounts of power in these "reactors" does not mean the nuclear interactions themselves would be low energy.
Pons & al are either con artists or sad souls with delusions of competence. Their explanations as to what happens in their experiments are senseless and fly in the face of the most solid theories of modern particle physics. For example they advertise that their experiment produces helium from a hydride where hydrogen is present. Sure as fuck it does not; any helium present was smuggled there by the guys and the only reason they claim this to happen is that the description is somewhat similar to what TV science shows say happens inside the sun. That it only happens in the sun at some 4 million Kelvins and above is already lost on everyone, it seems. There is just no way this particular interaction will take place in room temperature, ever. I mean, it is not just a vague idea, explaining the details of the p-p process as well as the CNO cycle, was worth the Nobel price to Hans Bethe. The theory was that complex and the conditions necessary are nothing like what these guys are tinkering with.
Ok, sorry about the rant. But hey, don't take my word for it. The one place where i go for the truth is arXiv and it didn't disappoint this time either. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1306/1306.6364.pdf
or go to arXiv front page at http://arxiv.org and search Physics for "cold fusion"
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