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cybermaus:
Vortex Technologies: POE Coil / How It's Made
At 5:40 : connect to any wire on the other end.
Small improvement on the process: except the same wire. Do not connect a wire to its own end. Otherwise you could end up having a few isolated loops in your coil, which would make it less effective.
(Not sure in what it would be less effective, after all she is just connecting a power supply through it to the LED panel. She is not even making a claim extra energy is generated.)
grumpydoc:
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POE = Pile of Excrement?
TerraHertz:
Usually with 'vortex coil' rubbish, the prose is so vague & new-age there's no chance of figuring out what they are actually doing, never mind what they claim is happening.
But with that 'Vortex Technologies: POE Coil / How It's Made' video above, it's tantalizingly almost clear enough to work out an equivalent circuit.
But then it all falls down at the end, when what she's connecting up doesn't seem to correspond with that not-quite 'circuit diagram' she keeps pointing at.
Dammit, am I going to have to make one of these things, to figure it out? I'd rather not.
Is anyone clear on what's being done there?
What I can get:
- The winding is multi-stranded.
- The first layer of winding is just wound around a toroidal volume, same as a standard coil around a ferrite toroid, except that the windings are skewed to an angle so they interleave rather than being laid turn by turn next to each other.
- The second layer of winding reverses the direction of lay on the toroid. Also because of the skew, the wires lay at about 90 degrees to the wires of the first layer. But flux-wise, it's effectively counter-winding on the toroid. By the same number of turns, and still interleaving.
- Then the two multi-stranded winding ends are separated and connected into two groups, forming two separate coils within the same wire bundle.
But then it gets too vague. I can't see in what arrangement she connects them to the sig gen, or what the 'output' is from.
Also no actual measurements of current, voltage, freq, power in, power out, etc. Unsurprisingly.
OK, I admit it, I watched this because it's nice to see a pretty girl winding wire and using a soldering iron.
Too bad she's never heard of heatshrink tubing, apparently. Or self-fluxing enameled wire. Or tag-strips.
Holy crap! Check out the prices they want for these magical vortex coils prewound. Several hundred dollars each.
Now there's an interesting question. If you had an opportunity to rip off a lot of gullible fools, easily, and make lots of money doing so, would you?
I was going to say I wouldn't, but then I remembered I used to write software for illegal gaming establishment poker machines back in the 1980s, and that was sooooo rigged. So I did. And I wasn't even getting the profits. Sh*t.
cybermaus:
Multi-stranded? Thats not what I saw. The winding is single stranded. Maybe two stranded at best.
The multi-strand is just a production method. She then goes ahead and connects the strands so they form one continues wire by soldering their ends together. (assuming she does not accidentally solders a strand to itself, but there's only a small chance of that)
There are two of these "multi-strand-converted-into-single-wire" things. And while she does wire them in opposite direction, it is not entirely clear how she connects them. Current thus could still flow in one single direction, making it essentially one single loop, creating a stable single magnetic field in the toriod center despite the slanted angles.
Or two opposing loops, making the current canceling each other out in classic thinking, but maybe creating weird oscillations and escaping fields through the diamond holes in the windings. If anything weird and 'otherworldly' would happen, I would guess it would be in this configuration.
If you really think something may be happening, do build it and let us know. And don't forget to buy your wire and toroid template with them, so you are helping them becoming rich improving the world.
lewis:
--- Quote from: TerraHertz on February 02, 2014, 07:15:08 am ---Damn, a nice workbench AND a pretty girlfriend:
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Fit bird using a dremel. Phwooooaaaar! I'm all astir.
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