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| Marco:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 07, 2023, 06:02:36 pm ---The fundamental flaw here is expecting everyone to live, work and operate within that town. --- End quote --- Not everyone, just the people who self select to live there and sign the HOA agreement. --- Quote ---In the real world most people can't move every time they get a new job, and they have friends and family in other towns. --- End quote --- The car would simply be a car outside of the town. By removing the human element most of the time, it could double as personal rapid transport inside the town. |
| bdunham7:
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on March 07, 2023, 06:40:11 pm ---There is an interesting correlation I have noticed. In various threads on this forum many users have expressed their opinions about standard transmissions vs automatic transmissions. To a large degree those that favor standard transmissions and the driving experience are the ones denigrating FSD technology, and projecting their views of the market onto the entire market. The penetration of automatic transmissions into the US marketplace is an indicator that there is a flaw in this perception. --- End quote --- Really? I can only think of one example that exhibits that correlation. I have no issues or phobias about automatic transmissions, antilock brakes and so on. However, I have at times observed significant problems with these technologies at times--there were some real issues with antilock brakes when they were first introduced, for example. I wasn't around for the advent of automatic transmissions, but I know of specific examples where a manual was much preferred. I have no problems with the overall idea of FSD, but I don't think it works nearly well enough yet and I don't think the current path is going to get us there. We can't even manage self-driving trains that stay on the rails, except for some small closed-circuit applications like airport trams. For me, unlike james_s, I have no desire to shift my own gears even though I'm perfectly capable and I've driven plenty of miles so I'd be perfectly happy to let something competent take over--especially on long trips. I'm not "anti-FSD", I just don't believe it exists yet. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Marco on March 07, 2023, 07:18:09 pm ---Not everyone, just the people who self select to live there and sign the HOA agreement. --- End quote --- I think HOAs should be abolished and outlawed, I was so fortunate to find a house in a neighborhood that doesn't have one but I know many people that are stuck with them and can't get rid of them. They are like a cancer that infects neighborhoods and once they are there it is very difficult to eradicate them. Either way don't think this is going to work, but if someone wants to build this little utopia somewhere go right ahead, there's lots of open space in the flyover areas in the middle of the US. Maybe it will work for people that are young and unattached, that can work remotely. |
| pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: Marco on March 07, 2023, 12:39:40 pm ---I think what we could use are entirely new towns, just to show what is possible. --- End quote --- One observation to mention about this, Marco who signals with his flag to be from the Netherlands, suggests building new towns, but in the Netherlands, there is little room to do so and at the moment has mostly a building stop due to nitrogen emissions. :-DD Further more many inhabitants of the old countries are proud of their old cities. So good luck in getting them to renew everything to allow for full self drive vehicles to take over. About stick versus automatic, I'm getting lazy so would not mind automatic, but our newish car is stick, so for the next so many years it is stick. Also would not mind a fully self driven car for the longer trips, but don't see the technology become mature and safe enough in the foreseeable future either. |
| james_s:
Nitrogen emissions? The air is something like 80% nitrogen, or do you mean nitrogen compounds? What does that have to do with building? I wish they would stop building housing around where I live. The leadership is obsessed with trying to keep up with population growth by building thousands and thousands of houses and apartments, but it seems completely lost on them that due to the popularity of the region there is effectively infinite demand, the more housing they build the more people move here. Something has to be the limiting factor, as it is I used to love living here but I can hardly wait to retire and move away, it is far too crowded and I feel like the wildlife that is being crowded out of its native habitat. |
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