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james_s:

--- Quote from: Marco on March 08, 2023, 10:29:42 am ---Almost impossible, once they get across the border or near your coast on a sinking ship without papers what are you going to do?

Barring some fundamental change, ie. singularity, the most humane solution would be an evolved version of the Australian solution. Buy land from some thin populated third world country and create a colony for refugees. They'd have to rip up a ton of post WW2 and EU treaties though, which is never going to happen.

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Put them on another ship and drop them off back where they claim to have come from? If you let it slide and just let people enter illegally and stay, it only encourages more people to come there illegally. If everyone that doesn't go through the proper immigration path gets sent back it is less likely for others to try to shortcut.
Marco:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 08, 2023, 06:02:26 pm ---Put them on another ship and drop them off back where they claim to have come from?

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They'll just claim to be from basket case du jour which you can't reasonably return them to. They will often be clearly lying ... then you start playing chicken, how long are you willing to hold them hostage to speak the truth? Not very long at all, we don't have the stomach to put them in concentration camps. Of course occasionally even if they aren't lying, the sheer amount coming in from the actual basket cases is a huge problem regardless.

New colonies solves it for both cases.
CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 08, 2023, 05:57:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 08, 2023, 09:55:59 am ---I have never driven a manual car in my life, sems like an absolute waste of effort. Manual cars are pretty rare here now I think.

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What effort? It's like walking, once you know how to do it you don't even think about the mechanical process, it's effortless. It's only when you go and drive an automatic car that it feels so incredibly boring and soul-less, you have less control, you have less engine braking, it feels slushy and mushy, less power, lower fuel economy, with an automatic you're not really driving so much as just aiming. I'm also a big fan of the mechanical simplicity of a manual gearbox. It's much smaller, lighter, simpler, there are no cooling lines or heat exchanger, no clutch packs or valve body, no electronics, it can go hundreds of thousands of miles without so much as a fluid change. When you do have to remove it for something such as to replace the clutch, it's so much easier to handle than a big bulky heavy slushbox.

But like I said, vast numbers of people are in your position and have never driven a manual in their life, they don't know what they're missing.

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Just to show that there are other positions in the space of people selecting drive trains for their vehicles, I learned to drive on manual transmissions, have purchased and owned others, and prefer an automatic.  I also have automatic choke and automatic spark advance and an electric starter.  I am missing out on all sorts of opportunities for control, and have traded simplicity in the vehicle for ease of use.  I view the automobile as a tool to go from place to place, not as a source of pleasure.  I do take drives for pleasure, but it isn't for the joy of making a car follow a lane around curves and over hills, but to see new places, enjoy scenery and get away from my daily surroundings.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying the act of driving.  Many people do.  But don't project that onto others.  That is as bad as saying that if you don't enjoy American football you are somehow deficient.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 08, 2023, 05:59:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 08, 2023, 12:04:58 pm ---However, quite a large number of people are being let into Europe because 'we' need the workforce. There are not enough people to do all the work. Some people keep complaining about letting so many strangers in, but the numbers are still quite low relatively speaking.

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Are there not enough people there to do all the work, or not enough people there willing to do the work for wages that are lower than what a native citizen expects?

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Where it comes to the NL: there are not enough people. The unemployment rate is below 4%. Some companies are closing down because they can't get enough people to do the work.
coppice:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 08, 2023, 05:19:58 am ---Nitrogen emissions? The air is something like 80% nitrogen, or do you mean nitrogen compounds? What does that have to do with building?

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I think the reference is to things like oxides being emitted into the atmosphere and nitrogen fertilizers flushing into rivers. The latter is a good example of out of touch governments. In the 1980s fertilizer runoff was becoming a major problem in Europe, clogging up rivers with weed, and killing off the fish. However, fertilizer is expensive so there was always an economic incentive to avoid that runoff. Sure enough, people have developed various technologies, such as the spreaders using GPS data to selectively fertilize specific parts of each field, to minimise waste. Now various governments are suddenly trying to suppress farming when the problem is already on the decline.
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