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McBryce:

--- Quote from: harerod on July 02, 2021, 01:18:48 pm ---Quote from: CatalinaWOW on 2021-05-31, 09:24:23
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So how does one pronounce Yuki correctly?  I can puzzle out phonetic markings or use crude representations like I did.
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As McBryce wrote, this "yuki" would probably mean snow, Hiragana spelling ゆき, Kanji 雪, IPA [jɯki].
The Japanese sound system is way more streamlined than that of English or German. The resulting "crispness" makes spoken Japanese quite easy to understand, even if you take local dialects into account.

The "Yukky" used by McBryce in his last post is a bit problematic, since it introduces a glottal stop before the ki-mora and shifts the [ɯ] towards [ʌ], and is therefore quite far from the original pronunciation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language#Vowels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_diagram
Edit: had to correct my brackets... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Brackets_and_transcription_delimiters

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I think the problem is that you are pronouncing "Yukky" as it would be pronounced in German, whereas it has a commonly known pronunciation in English (the word small children use to describe something that doesn't taste good), which is the pronunciation I was trying to convey.

McBryce.
harerod:
McBryce, help me out and put that "yukky" of yours in IPA, please.
ebastler:

--- Quote from: McBryce on July 02, 2021, 01:31:46 pm ---I think the problem is that you are pronouncing "Yukky" as it would be pronounced in German, whereas it has a commonly known pronunciation in English (the word small children use to describe something that doesn't taste good), which is the pronunciation I was trying to convey.

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No, it's quite the opposite. If you speak "yukky" it as it would be pronounced in English, you get the Japanese pronounciaton wrong. If you pronounce the "u" the German way, you get much closer.

harerod has provided the phonetic alphabet (IPA) transcription for the vowel you want. Please see (and hear) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_unrounded_vowel
TimFox:
In the "Hepburn romaji" transliteration of Japanese into the Roman alphabet, the rules for vowels are often stated:  "pronounce all vowels as in Italian".  (It would be a horrible specification to pronounce all vowels as in English.)  Before understanding that, I once asked for a can of "Calpis", a dairy-flavored soft drink, pronouncing "a" as in apple and "i" as in "idiot", and the Japanese store clerk could not understand me.  I had much better luck with "a" and "i" as in "pizza".
McBryce:

--- Quote from: ebastler on July 02, 2021, 02:43:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: McBryce on July 02, 2021, 01:31:46 pm ---I think the problem is that you are pronouncing "Yukky" as it would be pronounced in German, whereas it has a commonly known pronunciation in English (the word small children use to describe something that doesn't taste good), which is the pronunciation I was trying to convey.

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No, it's quite the opposite. If you speak "yukky" it as it would be pronounced in English, you get the Japanese pronounciaton wrong. If you pronounce the "u" the German way, you get much closer.

harerod has provided the phonetic alphabet (IPA) transcription for the vowel you want. Please see (and hear) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_unrounded_vowel

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Ok, then the problem is my (non)-english accent. I come from Dublin, where "u" is pronounced exactly the same as it is in German. I know the British "u" sounds completely different. So "but" in British english sounds more like "bat", but in Dublin is has the "u" sound as it would in German.

As for IPA* and other phonetic descriptive formats, I have never understood them! :D

McBryce.

* IPA for me is Polypropylene :D
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