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| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 27, 2022, 12:08:58 pm ---The earliest the lost gas from Russia might be replaced by is 2026, and still then that is somewhat optimistic. --- End quote --- If you assume that Russia will not be more than Moscow and some area around it, and we would be buying the gas from the newly formed countries. --- Quote from: Marco on August 27, 2022, 03:33:21 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2022, 02:24:51 pm ---Steel enclosure with flammable content = big bomb --- End quote --- You don't make it tight or hermetic. --- Quote ---Grid storage batteries are specifically designed to spit the flames out of the top --- End quote --- It doesn't take rocket science to accomplish that. Put on a wooden lid, that's where the flames will go too with a DIY steel enclosure. Then you can fill it with water from a distance. As I said, with a large property it's not a problem, just put it away from anything flammable. --- End quote --- If you ever saw a battery catch on fire, you will understand why it's a bad idea to play around with them. --- Quote from: Siwastaja on August 27, 2022, 04:31:03 pm ---A heatpump? You get one (typical air source unit) installed for maybe 1500€. It will extract the same 3000-4000kWh/year of solar energy, and even better, it can still extract it during the coldest, darkest months. Curve of production capability vs. demand is not perfect, but better than PV. Price per harvested energy is a lot better than PV. --- End quote --- I guess you are talking about air to air heatpumps. Air to water is closer to 5-6000 EUR, and your home heating system must be compatible with low temperature radiators. Which mine is not. Plus I never saw one that would be integrated with district heating. Must be rocket science or something. If someone knows one, please post it I'm interested. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 27, 2022, 05:00:55 pm ---Plus I never saw one that would be integrated with district heating. Must be rocket science or something. If someone knows one, please post it I'm interested. --- End quote --- That is quite easy. Just add a 3 way valve that chooses the incoming water from the heatpump (which then forms a local loop) or from the district heating. You can automate this with an outdoor temperature sensor from which the 3 way valve and heatpump are controlled. |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2022, 05:28:08 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on August 27, 2022, 05:00:55 pm ---Plus I never saw one that would be integrated with district heating. Must be rocket science or something. If someone knows one, please post it I'm interested. --- End quote --- That is quite easy. Just add a 3 way valve that chooses the incoming water from the heatpump (which then forms a local loop) or from the district heating. You can automate this with an outdoor temperature sensor from which the 3 way valve and heatpump are controlled. --- End quote --- I'm pretty sure this would be illegal. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 27, 2022, 05:45:16 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2022, 05:28:08 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on August 27, 2022, 05:00:55 pm ---Plus I never saw one that would be integrated with district heating. Must be rocket science or something. If someone knows one, please post it I'm interested. --- End quote --- That is quite easy. Just add a 3 way valve that chooses the incoming water from the heatpump (which then forms a local loop) or from the district heating. You can automate this with an outdoor temperature sensor from which the 3 way valve and heatpump are controlled. --- End quote --- I'm pretty sure this would be illegal. --- End quote --- No. Why would that be? I have district heating as well and after the meter, the installation is mine to do with as I please for as long as I pay for the energy I used from the district heating. |
| BravoV:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 25, 2022, 11:43:51 am --- --- Quote from: JohanH on August 25, 2022, 11:39:11 am --- --- Quote from: wraper on August 25, 2022, 11:29:56 am --- So we are suffering for nothing :palm:. --- End quote --- I prefer to suffer in solidarity with Ukraine! --- End quote --- If I'm going to suffer for some purpose, at least I expect some result from it. I don't see and don't expect any as far as things are going. --- End quote --- Say you're willingly and sincerely going to suffer in solidarity with Ukraine, next questions are .. - For how long ? As Belgium's PM said just now that EU countries will be difficult for 5 to 10 years ! :o - For how low you're willing to go on your living quality compared to current one, for example degraded into poverty maybe ? This 10 minutes commentary summed up the current situation (as fact) that pretty darn well, and also with a prediction what to come. (PS : This duo's videos predictions are pretty sharp and on spot since last two years on geopolitics, especially in Europe). Highly recommended. |
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