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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
madires:
--- Quote from: Alti on August 28, 2022, 03:42:49 pm ---Where is the trick? Seems like a setback of 60yo idea.
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It seems to be a transitional solution until smart meters can control loads smartly. At the moment they are just expensive power meters which can phone home.
madires:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 04:14:23 pm ---That is not true. Over here quite a low of people used to have electric water heaters (big drums with water) that where switched on during the night when electricity is cheaper and deliver hot water during the day. The remote control was done through modulating a signal on top of the 50Hz by the power company. This technology is from the 1960's or so. Nowadays it is no longer supported by most of the electricity suppliers because the use of these boilers has diminished. But nevertheless: the technology exists for a long time. AFAIK modulating a tone onto mains is or has been used for street lights as well.
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We have this too for night storage heaters. However, this stuff is phased out and we're pushed to go for heat pumps. BTW, I was talking about controlling multiple loads individually.
iMo:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 24, 2022, 06:45:08 pm ---.. However, gas prices were rising long before Russia decided to invade..
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The gas/energy prices rose before the war, and they were rising because the insiders knew well since summer/autumn 2021 the war will start soon an it is inevitable. This war has been in preparation since January 1st 2000 and, btw., it was founded by the EU by its ~1billion Euro per day payments for the energy imports from those inviders, imho..
MT:
UK committing financial and industrial suicide, same as Germany is doing (DeutcheBank ie Rottenchilds, in a recent article suggest German citizens use firewood to heat homes) so enjoy your Great Reset and good riddance to you both!
Alti:
--- Quote from: madires on August 28, 2022, 04:06:24 pm ---That's the idea of smart meters, i.e. telling household appliances and other loads to turn on when power is less expensive.
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This is how off-peak tariff worked for the last 60 years, there is no smartness in it. Some appliances are connected to dedicated circuit that powers up when the counter starts counting off-peak. Overrideable.
--- Quote from: madires on August 28, 2022, 04:20:26 pm ---BTW, I was talking about controlling multiple loads individually.
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Ok, now it makes sense, EVU-Sperre controls one load individually. A heat pump.
But the way they do it is not smart at all. I am getting old.
--- Quote from: Bosch ---If neither a buffer tank nor underfloor heating can be used, an electric heating element can provide the required heat during off-times. However, this requires significantly more electricity than a heat pump and also draws electricity at the regular price.
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Anyway, thanks, it was nice to know such "transitional solution", I would have never thought about a tariff where a user looses the right to control when to turn on an appliance with COP=3 and is left with the only choice to turn on an appliance with COP=1 (and three times the power)..
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