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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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Nusa:
The whole Nord Stream 2 sanctions ban is really shooting Germany in the foot right now. They should reverse themselves and approve that pipeline so that Russia can't use Nord Stream 1 maintenance issues as an excuse when there's a complete working parallel pipeline just sitting there. Russia can still do what it wants, of course, but it's calling their bluff on the reasons.
tom66:
I don't see the point in opening NS2.

Russia will use whatever excuse they want.  They could say "their FUK-U unit is faulty" and therefore they can't pump more than 15%.  They're actively refusing delivery of turbines, claiming that they are blocked by sanctions.  They'll find an excuse.  Opening NS2 gives them more leverage if anything.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 28, 2022, 08:52:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 07:56:14 pm ---IMHO controlling several loads from the side of the grid is something people will simply not accept. It takes away too much freedom / adds too much hassle. Also take into account the diversity of living conditions.

--- End quote ---
If energy supply is to get as tight as predicted for the European winter there may be no other options as a result of the short lead time.
If you get the warm wet winter we have as a result of the stratosphere contamination from the Tonga eruption Europe may have dodged that bullet, at least for this winter but even another year isn't time enough to reduce energy usage enough for prices to stabilize and start a move to more efficient devices.

Your only hope is for adults to start taking control and making decisions with vision.

--- End quote ---
There are a whole bunch of coal and nuclear plants sitting idle or near idle that are or can be fired up more or again. Also, the Netherland is sitting on a crapload of gas (IOW: the second largest gas field ever discovered). A large part of the shortage is artificial.
langwadt:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 09:43:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on August 28, 2022, 08:52:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 07:56:14 pm ---IMHO controlling several loads from the side of the grid is something people will simply not accept. It takes away too much freedom / adds too much hassle. Also take into account the diversity of living conditions.

--- End quote ---
If energy supply is to get as tight as predicted for the European winter there may be no other options as a result of the short lead time.
If you get the warm wet winter we have as a result of the stratosphere contamination from the Tonga eruption Europe may have dodged that bullet, at least for this winter but even another year isn't time enough to reduce energy usage enough for prices to stabilize and start a move to more efficient devices.

Your only hope is for adults to start taking control and making decisions with vision.

--- End quote ---
There are a whole bunch of coal and nuclear plants sitting idle or near idle that are or can be fired up more or again.

--- End quote ---

afaiu half the French nuclear plants are idle at the moment because there is not enough water for cooling
tautech:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 09:43:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on August 28, 2022, 08:52:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2022, 07:56:14 pm ---IMHO controlling several loads from the side of the grid is something people will simply not accept. It takes away too much freedom / adds too much hassle. Also take into account the diversity of living conditions.

--- End quote ---
If energy supply is to get as tight as predicted for the European winter there may be no other options as a result of the short lead time.
If you get the warm wet winter we have as a result of the stratosphere contamination from the Tonga eruption Europe may have dodged that bullet, at least for this winter but even another year isn't time enough to reduce energy usage enough for prices to stabilize and start a move to more efficient devices.

Your only hope is for adults to start taking control and making decisions with vision.

--- End quote ---
There are a whole bunch of coal and nuclear plants sitting idle or near idle that are or can be fired up more or again. Also, the Netherland is sitting on a crapload of gas (IOW: the second largest gas field ever discovered). A large part of the shortage is artificial.

--- End quote ---
That's nice, all that's needed now is decisions to be made by adults.
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