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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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Marco:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 28, 2022, 09:40:18 pm ---Russia will use whatever excuse they want.

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Up to a point, the the EU doesn't want to get cut off, but Russia doesn't want to get secondary sanctioned by Biden either. It's a dance.

tom66:
Yes, I suppose it is an interesting question.  Who blinks first?

- EU backs down and reduces sanctions and allows Russian gas back in... How much does it take for Putin to turn the taps on?  I would imagine a substantial withdrawal of EU support to Ukraine, and nearly all sanctions being lifted, is the price.

- Or Russia decides to withdraw from Ukraine as they are not achieving their aims (e.g. losing Kherson could really hit morale; a strike to the Crimean bridge may further dent it.)  This however puts Putin's position in serious jeopardy so I expect would only happen if there was mass rebellion in the Russian state services (FSB, GRU) which seems... unlikely.

Already I am hearing comments from people in the EU that they don't believe the pain of a cold winter/economic slump is worth it for Ukraine.  But, even if the EU withdraws aid, I expect UK and USA will continue significant aid, and so far it has been the US who have been the most useful in the war. 

I could see EU compromising and trying to negotiate a ceasefire in Ukraine.  Not a defeat for either side but implicitly acknowledging the dependence of Russian gas for the EU.  Hopefully in the meantime they continue with their degasification project and remove this influence altogether, but somehow I doubt it will be all that quick.

BravoV:
Meanwhile in Poland people are waiting for days in queue for coal.




... according to Google in German.

james_s:

--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on August 28, 2022, 06:10:39 pm ---But fear not, impending disaster is more or less locked in and the Great Reset will arrive.

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That's the thing I wonder about actually. As I recall, even the most optimistic data says that we are essentially screwed, the time to prevent global climate change was 100+ years ago, it's too late now to do anything about it. So is there any point in putting great effort into doing so? Or would we be better served by working on ways to mitigate the effects?

james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 28, 2022, 11:11:19 am ---You can install air to air heatpumps yourself in the UK if they use propane, which some systems use although they seem to be uncommon now.

Anything using fluorinated gases requires training, which is about £1,000 to do, but probably cheaper than paying an air con tech.  But I can't bemoan anyone wanting to charge for their labour!

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About 18 years ago I was able to take a course online and pay a small fee, I think it was around $35 to get licensed. As it turned out, nobody has ever actually asked to see my license, even the refrigerant dealers that say you need one for them to sell you the stuff. Can you not buy the equipment online there?

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