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| Zero999:
I repeat. I don't support the actions of Russia in Ukraine. It's just there's a lot more to is than we're led to believe. The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference. China seems to have made friends with Russia again. All it's doing is hurting us. It's all a big mess. We really aught to step back and keep our noses out. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:06:57 pm ---I repeat. I don't support the actions of Russia in Ukraine. It's just there's a lot more to is than we're led to believe. The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference. China seems to have made friends with Russia again. All it's doing is hurting us. It's all a big mess. We really aught to step back and keep our noses out. --- End quote --- And how could you know if you might be next ? Unsavory as it is a statement needed to be made by the west months ago and wasn't therefore the bed is made and now we must lie in it. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:06:57 pm ---I repeat. I don't support the actions of Russia in Ukraine. It's just there's a lot more to is than we're led to believe. The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference. China seems to have made friends with Russia again. All it's doing is hurting us. It's all a big mess. We really aught to step back and keep our noses out. --- End quote --- No effect? Are you kidding? https://www.globsec.org/news/yes-it-hurts-measuring-the-effects-of-western-sanctions-against-russia/ - Some industries have seen over 97% decline in sales in niche areas, 63% in cars, 60% in white goods: these industries are decimated - Inflation of 17.1% (Russian statistic) or 25% (Western analysis) - Central bank rate set up to 20% - Imports fallen by 50% - Withdrawal of major post-Soviet capitalist corporations, e.g. McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Volkswagen... These companies are not coming back - Real wages fallen almost 10% - Significant reduction in sale price per barrel of oil due to EU embargoes, and more costly to sell to Asia - No options to sell natural gas outside of EU, essentially destroying their industry here - Loss of over $300bn in capital in EU banks that is under restriction |
| langwadt:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 08:00:08 pm --- --- Quote from: tom66 on August 29, 2022, 07:20:15 pm ---There's no doubt that the US gave a little push to Ukraine to get them going in a more desirable direction, but Euromaidan was going to happen regardless and that's the reason Yanukovych fell, it was not US interventions that caused that. And the Ukrainians deciding to democratically elect the former comedian/actor Zelenskyy and push more towards EU/NATO alignment is their decision as a sovereign nation. Again, I maintain that Russia's actions are not justifiable, in any way. The fact that they use the claim of "denazifying" Ukraine shows how sincere they are. For what it's worth, I don't see any compromise that doesn't involve Ukraine losing at least DPR/LPR and probably Crimea. EU/Ukraine/Russia need to agree to hold democratic elections in those territories and agree to abide by the results. If they vote one way or another that's accepted and the end of it. --- End quote --- A desirable direction to whom? Don't forget some Ukrainians support Russia. The problem with propaganda is there's some element of truth to it. I can confirm there are Nazis in Ukraine. I've been there and witnessed it myself. It goes back to the Germans helping some Ukrainians, during the WW2. Obviously, Zelenskyy is no Nazi, neither are most Ukrainians and that's no justification for it. My point is, some of the money sent by the West is going to Nazis. Again, I'm not supporting what Russia is doing, but Zelenskyy is no angel either. --- End quote --- the Azov Battalion fighting the Russian annexation obviously had Nazi ideologies, afaiu the Nazi figures at the top were removed and the battalion integrated into the regular army as special forces (you don't get rid of experienced soldiers when in a war) and Putin is using that as a justification for Ukraine being Nazi, while he himself also have neo-nazis fighting on the Russian side |
| langwadt:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 29, 2022, 11:21:04 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:06:57 pm ---I repeat. I don't support the actions of Russia in Ukraine. It's just there's a lot more to is than we're led to believe. The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference. China seems to have made friends with Russia again. All it's doing is hurting us. It's all a big mess. We really aught to step back and keep our noses out. --- End quote --- No effect? Are you kidding? https://www.globsec.org/news/yes-it-hurts-measuring-the-effects-of-western-sanctions-against-russia/ - Some industries have seen over 97% decline in sales in niche areas, 63% in cars, 60% in white goods: these industries are decimated - Inflation of 17.1% (Russian statistic) or 25% (Western analysis) - Central bank rate set up to 20% - Imports fallen by 50% - Withdrawal of major post-Soviet capitalist corporations, e.g. McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Volkswagen... These companies are not coming back - Real wages fallen almost 10% - Significant reduction in sale price per barrel of oil due to EU embargoes, and more costly to sell to Asia - No options to sell natural gas outside of EU, essentially destroying their industry here - Loss of over $300bn in capital in EU banks that is under restriction --- End quote --- and their airlines are doomed, most of their planes are western planes that can no longer get maintenance or spare parts, some of the newer Russian planes use western engines. Most of the planes were leased so they should by contract have been returned when the sanctions started, they weren't and a now effectively scrap with no maintenance. The leasing companies are probably not very keen on leasing them more planes when this is over |
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