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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
tautech:
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--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:40:55 pm ---But we're also experiencing economic hardship. It doesn't appear to be making much difference to the war. I can see China stepping in to help.
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It probably won't make much difference in the short term. Russia has substantial reserves of equipment, though they will struggle to replace anything that is specialist or reliant on imported parts due to sanctions.
But in the longer term it increasingly makes the war increasingly non-viable as a route forward. And the more difficult and more painful it is both for ordinary Russians and the wealthy elite, including oligarchs, the more precarious Putin's position is. Putin only cares about whether he lives another day or not. If that's in danger, he'll order a withdrawal, even if it makes him look weaker.
I don't - honestly - know who will blink first. If I were a betting man, I would suggest the EU's resolve would be weaker, but there may be a compromise where both sides save face.
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Trouble is as yet there is no common pain that pushes either to put feet under the negotiation table and when one party is governed by ‘my way or the highway’ it’s unlikely any resolution is to come about soon. :(
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 29, 2022, 11:21:04 pm ---- Withdrawal of major post-Soviet capitalist corporations, e.g. McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Volkswagen... These companies are not coming back
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Yes they are. Their withdrawal is just superficial. The minute the war is over, those companies will be back in seconds.
BravoV:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:06:57 pm ---... The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference.....
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It does, big time ... its just the mainstream media in EU & UK are trying so hard to suppress this historical change that is happening, or trying so hard to make it much more milder.
Heck, my German friend currently living there, said there are a lot of people there still think and "believe" Russia is about to surrender/regime change/Zelensky's troop marches to Moscow/Putin coup/etc, what ever fantasy as propaganda media pumped out to them will happen soon ... before this winter, just can't believe the delusional level at mass level, the brain washing propaganda machine there must be very-very good and effective throughout EU & UK. :-DD
This event is so historical and so huge, that is being suppressed by the medias there, is now popping out in US, in this popular Tucker Carlson segment, like him or not, he is merely stating a bitter truth about what to come in Europe.
BravoV:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 30, 2022, 01:26:14 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 29, 2022, 11:21:04 pm ---- Withdrawal of major post-Soviet capitalist corporations, e.g. McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Volkswagen... These companies are not coming back
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Yes they are. Their withdrawal is just superficial. The minute the war is over, those companies will be back in seconds.
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Regarding Coca-cola .. here what happened in Russia.
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"Coca-Cola reluctant to leave Russia
The US soft-drink maker will change its iconic name and remain on the market
US soft-drink giant Coca-Cola will sell its iconic product in Russia under the Dobry Cola brand, according to the founder of the Teremok fast-food chain, Mikhail Goncharov.
“We have received notice from Coca-Cola that the drink will now be called Dobry Cola, the one that was previously Coca-Cola. We will try to sell it,” Goncharov said on Friday, as quoted by Interfax.
The new soft drink will have to compete with Russian companies that have launched their own colas, he added.
Interfax also cited a letter to employees from Coca-Cola HBC CEO Zoran Bogdanovich, in which he announced the cessation of production and sale of Coca-Cola brands in Russia.
The US company announced plans to suspend business in Russia in March, joining the exodus of other iconic Western brands, including McDonalds, amid sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine."
The source -> https://www.rt.com/business/561623-coca-cola-rebranding-russia/
PS : The web site above is probably banned throughout EU & UK countries and probably US too (but accessible thru VPN), as the people are too dumb to read and decide for them self, and probably will be brainwashed by bad propaganda, according the gov. top officials, viva democrazy and freedom of speech ... and hail "Dobry Cola" .. :-DD
SiliconWizard:
There is a gigantic delusion indeed from the masses.
From our political leaders... I dunno. Still don't know if it's delusion or if it's just intentional. Yeah, I know. Nobody wants to hear that.
Oh as to McDonald's... it only took a couple weeks for the russian group getting control of the restaurants to re-open under a new russian name and continue as usual. With practically the same menus except for the names.
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