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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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vad:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 06:28:21 pm ---I don't support Putin, but the EU, along with NATO are partly responsible for this mess in the first place. If they promised Russia they weren't going to expand eastwards and kept to it and stopped interfering

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This is Russian propaganda. There is no a single international agreement, ratified by any NATO member state or not, that spells out such promises.
vad:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 08:00:08 pm ---The problem with propaganda is there's some element of truth to it. I can confirm there are Nazis in Ukraine. I've been there and witnessed it myself. It goes back to the Germans helping some Ukrainians, during the WW2. Obviously, Zelenskyy is no Nazi, neither are most Ukrainians and that's no justification for it. My point is, some of the money sent by the West is going to Nazis.

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This is Russian propaganda. The truth is, Zelensky, who is ethnic Jew, got 73% popular vote during last elections.
BravoV:

--- Quote from: vad on August 30, 2022, 05:05:58 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 06:28:21 pm ---I don't support Putin, but the EU, along with NATO are partly responsible for this mess in the first place. If they promised Russia they weren't going to expand eastwards and kept to it and stopped interfering

--- End quote ---
This is Russian propaganda. There is no a single international agreement, ratified by any NATO member state or not, that spells out such promises.

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Yep, clearly that is the evil and nasty Russia propaganda, as I see you carry US flag, you should be aware that even an US former congresswoman and also an US president candidate, also she is an US military colonel and heck, even one of the most popular news host in US, Tucker Carlson too, all are bashing Ukraine like hell ... clearly they are moles and evil Putin's mouth piece.

Damn, forget about EU countries, Putin literally already won over US too, isn't he ?  :-DD

vad:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 11:06:57 pm ---I repeat. I don't support the actions of Russia in Ukraine. It's just there's a lot more to is than we're led to believe. The sanctions don't appear to be making any difference. China seems to have made friends with Russia again. All it's doing is hurting us. It's all a big mess. We really aught to step back and keep our noses out.

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This is what Russia, through its propaganda outlets, including RT (“Russia Today”) quoted in this thread, wants West to do.

The fact is, Russia was manipulating EU natural gas spot prices last autumn, 6 months before the invasion, and before the sanctions that followed. The only EU’s failure is that they neglected their energy security for decades, creating too much dependency on Russia, who proved to be unreliable supplier.

Limited EU sanctions, that excluded energy embargo, do have benign impact on Russia. EU was sending 800 million Euros a day to Russia, financing Russian war, while Russian soldiers, mercenaries and KGB officers where raping women in Bucha and Irpen, carpet bombing Mariupol, castrating POWs, and sending tens of thousands of civilians through filtration camps.
vad:

--- Quote from: BravoV on August 30, 2022, 05:30:48 am ---
--- Quote from: vad on August 30, 2022, 05:05:58 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 06:28:21 pm ---I don't support Putin, but the EU, along with NATO are partly responsible for this mess in the first place. If they promised Russia they weren't going to expand eastwards and kept to it and stopped interfering

--- End quote ---
This is Russian propaganda. There is no a single international agreement, ratified by any NATO member state or not, that spells out such promises.

--- End quote ---

Yep, clearly that is the evil and nasty Russia propaganda, as I see you carry US flag, you should be aware that even an US former congresswoman and also an US president candidate, also she is an US military colonel and heck, even one of the most popular news host in US, Tucker Carlson too, all are bashing Ukraine like hell ... clearly they are moles and evil Putin's mouth piece.

Damn, forget about EU countries, Putin literally already won over US too, isn't he ?  :-DD

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If there was an international agreement, where Russia was given the non-expansion promise - tell me the name that agreement, and date when it was ratified by the Congress.
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