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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
wraper:
We were connected to Russian/Belarus electric grid where we could buy very cheap electricity. In the name of energy independence we disconnected from it earlier this year. An effect on Russia/Belarus is close to zero. They do not get to sell a bit of cheap electricity, we pay 10 times more. Does not sound like independence to me. And Germany shutting down their nuclear plants in favor of natural gas in the name of ecology was simply moronic, not to say hypocritical.
BravoV:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 25, 2022, 09:17:32 am ---... Germany shutting down their nuclear plants in favor of natural gas in the name of ecology was simply moronic, not to say hypocritical.
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Blindly follow that ecology cult, and probably also chanting for "the cult leader" like goddess Greta Thunberg :palm: , without a practical and economically sounds solution for a country that is one of world's top elite industrial work horse, is basically worst than moronic.
tom66:
I still don't understand Germany's logic towards turning off nuclear. I also don't understand why they doubled down on NS2 after the Crimean invasion. Surely that would be the point to begin at least securing alternative supplies, planning for the possibility of Russia cutting off gas.
It's just incompetence - or malice - of the highest order. I like to subscribe to Hanlon's Razor ("never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity") but this is pretty damn stupid.
madires:
Despite the German government running around and telling everyone to save gas, this year more electric power is generated from gas than last year because it's exported to France (drought forces nuclear plants to run at lower power levels and several plants are shut down for maintenance) and Switzerland (less power from hydroelectric power plants due to drought). At the moment there is a discussion about running the last few German nuclear power plants a few years longer. BTW, fuel oil prices are crazy too (1.70 €/l today).
wraper:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 25, 2022, 09:44:09 am ---Surely that would be the point to begin at least securing alternative supplies, planning for the possibility of Russia cutting off gas.
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I wouldn't call it Russia cutting off gas. It's way more like EU cutting itself off from Russian gas. You cannot basically steal all Russian money in European banks, make buying anything from Russia from very hard next to impossible, and then blame Russians for that with straight face. Latvian government for example is full of it. Our gas company is not allowed to buy natural gas from Russia from January 2023, and was not allowed to do it for a few months when sanctions took place. The only other option for us is LNG from a terminal in Lithuania. Which at best could supply Lithuania by itself, if there will be enough tankers (which I really doubt). Look on the gas pipeline map, where in the hell are we supposed to get it other than from Russia (through Belarus too)? So far our government is assuring everything is OK. Even though I'm already paying EUR 100 a month for natural gas to just heat water and for cooking. And EUR 150 for measly 300 kWh of electricity in July. Which will be even more for August. I guess the curtain will completely fall after parliament elections on October 1st.
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