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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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tautech:

--- Quote from: james_s on August 31, 2022, 12:00:12 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 30, 2022, 10:59:10 pm ---I disagree with banning ICU cars though. People will gradually transition to EVs as they get cheaper and the cost savings become more apparent.

If EV batteries are going to be used to balance the grid, then it's only fair the owners should be compensated for the additional wear on the battery. The meter connected to the car should work the same in both directions.

How EVs are going to be taxed is another area of controversy. One idea is to include a tracker so they known how far you've gone and on which roads, but that's seen as a privacy issue by many. I'd support reading the odometer every year, when the car gets its MoT and applying the tax accordingly.

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Banning ICE cars is absolutely stupid, at least it is on the insanely aggressive timeline that CA and now my state have pledged to do it. I did notice the law does allow plug-in hybrids though so I suspect we will see a large number of hybrids with a token plug-in feature tacked on that allows the battery to be topped off, and I doubt many people will use it.

Pure EVs are already extremely popular and they are growing fast. There is no need to mandate them, the free(ish) market is working as it is supposed to and people whose needs are met by an EV are choosing them when it is economically advantageous to do so. With a Tesla costing around $10 for 300 miles of range you don't even have to drive a huge number of miles for that to pay off, even at fuel prices of a few years ago. Even so, there are enough edge cases that trying to mandate pure EV is ridiculous. Tradesmen and such still need heavy duty trucks with large range. People that have horses and RVs need to be able to pull a big heavy trailer, sometimes hundreds of miles in a day. Huge numbers of people do not have these edge cases but enough do that ICE must remain a choice for the foreseeable future.

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CA ? Madness when they produce 250000 barrels of crude/day.
Don't adults run that place either ?

SiliconWizard:
They can be both adults and psychopaths.

MT:
Enjoy the coming "glorious MI6/WEF induced imperial" winter UK! Hope you have enough of firewood to charge your EV's with!!   >:D

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fatigue-british-war-support-wanes-amid-energy-hyperinflation

Back in WW2 folks converted their cars to Holz Gaz! Im looking forward to all EV's converted to holz gaz!


NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: james_s on August 31, 2022, 12:00:12 am ---Banning ICE cars is absolutely stupid, at least it is on the insanely aggressive timeline that CA and now my state have pledged to do it. I did notice the law does allow plug-in hybrids though so I suspect we will see a large number of hybrids with a token plug-in feature tacked on that allows the battery to be topped off, and I doubt many people will use it.

Pure EVs are already extremely popular and they are growing fast. There is no need to mandate them, the free(ish) market is working as it is supposed to and people whose needs are met by an EV are choosing them when it is economically advantageous to do so. With a Tesla costing around $10 for 300 miles of range you don't even have to drive a huge number of miles for that to pay off, even at fuel prices of a few years ago. Even so, there are enough edge cases that trying to mandate pure EV is ridiculous. Tradesmen and such still need heavy duty trucks with large range. People that have horses and RVs need to be able to pull a big heavy trailer, sometimes hundreds of miles in a day. Huge numbers of people do not have these edge cases but enough do that ICE must remain a choice for the foreseeable future.

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I don't think the requirement applies to commercial vehicles, and you already mentioned plug in hybrids as the solution for long distance.

james_s:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on August 31, 2022, 01:16:06 am ---I don't think the requirement applies to commercial vehicles, and you already mentioned plug in hybrids as the solution for long distance.

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What is their definition of a commercial vehicle?

What about individuals that have things like campers, horse trailers and toy haulers? As far as I know there are currently no hybrid fullsized diesel pickup trucks. Of course it's possible that the definition of "plug in hybrid" is loose enough for a workaround but in that case the legislation is a bit of a joke.

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