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| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: MT on August 31, 2022, 01:13:05 am ---Enjoy the coming "glorious MI6/WEF induced imperial" winter UK! Hope you have enough of firewood to charge your EV's with!! >:D https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fatigue-british-war-support-wanes-amid-energy-hyperinflation Back in WW2 folks converted their cars to Holz Gaz! Im looking forward to all EV's converted to holz gaz! --- End quote --- Anything and everything on zerohedge is driven by politics seen from one very biassed angle. Please avoid introducing politics to this thread and the forum in general. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 31, 2022, 07:38:34 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on August 30, 2022, 11:52:42 pm ---Now calculate the price per kWh you'd need to receive from the power company to cover the wear on your precious battery... EVs as grid storage is the most stupidest idea ever. It simply isn't cost effective. For starters: EV batteries aren't made for grid storage purposes. --- End quote --- They don't need to be grid storage, just dispatchable demand. We already have charge points that give you the option: "I need 80% charge in my car by tomorrow. Charge whenever you can, as long as it's ready by 7 am" (and the power company sends a signal to the charger telling it to modulate current and turn on and off as there is excess renewable on the grid, or high proportion of nuclear/biomass.) --- End quote --- That is something else and IMHO very unlikely to happen because it means the electricity generation & distribution is falling short (as if you are living in a third world country). In the end you can't predict peak demand. Over here the trains are on strike so everybody who has a car, goes to work with a car. How to plan for that with a system that inherently isn't able to deal with peak demand? Discharging an EV back into the grid however, is not a good idea because you will wear the battery which depreciates the value of your car. A sane person will want to be compensated for that monetary loss. |
| MT:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 31, 2022, 09:44:35 am --- --- Quote from: MT on August 31, 2022, 01:13:05 am ---Enjoy the coming "glorious MI6/WEF induced imperial" winter UK! Hope you have enough of firewood to charge your EV's with!! >:D https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fatigue-british-war-support-wanes-amid-energy-hyperinflation Back in WW2 folks converted their cars to Holz Gaz! Im looking forward to all EV's converted to holz gaz! --- End quote --- Anything and everything on zerohedge is driven by politics seen from one very biassed angle. --- End quote --- And you know that after actually reading ZH. :) ZH actually less biased then most MSM news , it even allow folks like your self to post articles there if you want to, you seams biased because the article mentions "UK". --- Quote ---Please avoid introducing politics to this thread and the forum in general. --- End quote --- Which is :bullshit: ofcourse and a personal attack which is your real intent , cant see you complain about lot of folks who even start political threads like this one and others (BravoV above) referencing ZH articles? Anyhow charging your EV in UK seams to be expensive in the upcoming future. |
| Vovk_Z:
--- Quote from: BravoV on August 31, 2022, 02:30:06 am ---Hilariously, it also means that instead of being dependent on Russia for gas, Europe is now becoming dependent on Beijing instead for its energy - which is still Russian gas, only this time imported from China --- End quote --- Even if this is true - it is still ok, because you can't deal with all problems at ones. You deal with problems in series, one-after-another. It gives a time. First we get rid of russian gas dependency (actual and VERY HOT problem), after that we can move away from China gas dependency (that is not so hot problem). And China buys it for a much smaller price, so russia earns not too much. For example, at the moment, Ukraine doesn't buy gas straight from russia several last years (3-4?), but buys the same gas from Europe. That totally changed gas situation for Ukraine (greatly soften and stabilized it) until russia started a large war against Ukraine and in reality against the whole West. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 31, 2022, 09:07:33 am ---Part of the problem is a serious lack of tradespeople to do the work - we need to have apprentices and training courses for these rather than more people with degrees in art history. --- End quote --- People can't afford it either. Government should provide some mild pressure to do whole streets, with long term loans to pay off the difference with the subsidy. One size fit most can probably be done a lot cheaper than all the custom work being done now. Depending on the walls either fill them with insulation, or 3D scan the facade for outer wall insulation and cut it into an easy to install jigsaw at the factory. Use reflective air cushion insulation below the floor (it does work, is cheap and doesn't have bad PR from VOC). Have installers bid for work for entire blocks to get costs down similar to fiber. Isn't that unfair to the people who did it themselves some might ask, to which I would say I don't care. |
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