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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
nctnico:
Actually I care. The problem with subsidies is that they just increase the price. It would be much better if the subsidies where applied to buying the materials so people can also DIY. Earlier this year I asked for quotations to have the rear door + window of my home replaced. I got quotations ranging from 12k to 15k euro. If I buy the materials myself, they cost around 6k euro in total.
Someone:
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--- Quote from: madires on August 30, 2022, 09:49:03 pm ---For running heat pumps and charging EVs most countries have to triple their generation of electric power. I don't think any country is able to do this in just a few years.
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While I've seen numbers like 250% increase in electrical consumption (assuming 100% electric vehicles and 100% heat pumps for heating) for UK that has poorly insulated houses, this will probably vary a lot between countries.
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Get your answers here:
https://www.iea.org/sankey/
world coverage complete with historic comparisons
Marco:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 31, 2022, 11:26:05 am ---The problem with subsidies is that they just increase the price.
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The problem with consumers trying to get a competetive bid is information assymetry.
Government auctioning off million dollar orders can much better judge margins and market supply and scale up orders accordingly. Assuming they are competent and not corrupt.
tggzzz:
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--- Quote from: MT on August 31, 2022, 01:13:05 am ---Enjoy the coming "glorious MI6/WEF induced imperial" winter UK! Hope you have enough of firewood to charge your EV's with!! >:D
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fatigue-british-war-support-wanes-amid-energy-hyperinflation
Back in WW2 folks converted their cars to Holz Gaz! Im looking forward to all EV's converted to holz gaz!
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Anything and everything on zerohedge is driven by politics seen from one very biassed angle.
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And you know that after actually reading ZH. :)
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Yes. Precisely that.
--- Quote ---ZH actually less biased then most MSM news , it even allow folks like your self to post articles there if you want to, you seams biased because the article mentions "UK".
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Your using the keyword "MSM" is revealing.
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--- Quote ---Please avoid introducing politics to this thread and the forum in general.
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Which is :bullshit: ofcourse and a personal attack which is your real intent , cant see you complain about lot of folks who even start political threads like this one and others (BravoV above)
referencing ZH articles?
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That's another revealing statement.
Strawman arguments attacking other people's personality and intent is unimpressive.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 30, 2022, 11:52:42 pm ---Now calculate the price per kWh you'd need to receive from the power company to cover the wear on your precious battery... EVs as grid storage is the most stupidest idea ever. It simply isn't cost effective. For starters: EV batteries aren't made for grid storage purposes.
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Solution: instead of V2G which requires more complex inverters within the car and as you say, wears out the battery, just implement on-demand suspension of charging (i.e., go to zero, not negative). Given the scale, this is almost as good as vehicle-to-grid, but without the downsides.
All you need is some control logic (and user interfaces) so that the driver has a guarantee they will have X km of range before YY:ZZ.
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