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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
SiliconWizard:
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--- Quote from: tom66 on August 25, 2022, 09:44:09 am ---I still don't understand Germany's logic towards turning off nuclear.
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Logic? They emotionally reacted to the Chernobyl incident. Softened a bit, and started to reinstated nuclear as at least a short term necessity. Then the Fukushima incident happened, and emotion ruled once again.
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Nah, I think the relationship between Germany and nuclear energy is more complex than this and is rooted in older events.
Nusa:
--- Quote from: Someone on September 02, 2022, 10:55:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: BravoV on September 02, 2022, 04:06:41 pm ---The so called "Operation Thermostat" >:D is happening in US, just curious if similar case will happen also in EU countries especially in winter ?
As fact that many EU leaders already warned few days ago to their citizens about energy crisis to come.
Source -> https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/contact-denver7/thousands-of-xcel-customers-locked-out-of-thermostats-during-energy-emergency
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Thousands of Xcel customers locked out of thermostats during 'energy emergency'
22,000 people lost control of temperatures in their homes for hours ...
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From that linked article for those who won't read it:
--- Quote ---"It's a voluntary program. Let's remember that this is something that customers choose to be a part of based on the incentives," said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation at Xcel.
Customers receive a $100 credit for enrolling in the program and $25 annually, but Romine said customers also agree to give up some control to save energy and money and make the system more reliable.
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Customers opted in (possibly without fully understanding what they were signing up for) to receive a reduced cost supply in return for remote shedding being enabled on their thermostat. Which left them unable to set it to cool below 26 degrees, not some mass disaster, not some monopoly/government over reach, a $$ compensated minor inconvenience.
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Gotta wonder how many of them were cute enough to hack the environment instead? For instance, heat up something in the microwave and set or tie it under the thermostat. Repeat as necessary.
Alti:
--- Quote from: Alti on August 28, 2022, 03:42:49 pm ---This EVU-Sperre seems irrational at first glance, it over-complicates a simple and old idea. In case people need more heat (super cold winter, blackout, whatever), they are going to be forced to turn the resistive heating COP=1 on (because it costs €0.3/kWh whole day).
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--- Quote from: Nusa on September 03, 2022, 10:33:06 pm ---Gotta wonder how many of them were cute enough to hack the environment instead? For instance, heat up something in the microwave and set or tie it under the thermostat. Repeat as necessary.
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Same concept of taking over the control, one for heating in DE and one for cooling in US. This approach seems intrinsically flawed, IMHO.
Someone:
--- Quote from: Alti on September 04, 2022, 10:22:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Alti on August 28, 2022, 03:42:49 pm ---This EVU-Sperre seems irrational at first glance, it over-complicates a simple and old idea. In case people need more heat (super cold winter, blackout, whatever), they are going to be forced to turn the resistive heating COP=1 on (because it costs €0.3/kWh whole day).
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--- Quote from: Nusa on September 03, 2022, 10:33:06 pm ---Gotta wonder how many of them were cute enough to hack the environment instead? For instance, heat up something in the microwave and set or tie it under the thermostat. Repeat as necessary.
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Same concept of taking over the control, one for heating in DE and one for cooling in US. This approach seems intrinsically flawed, IMHO.
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On controlled tariffs its usually on the contract/agreement that all heating loads are connected to the moderated supply and you cannot run any alternatives on the regular supply. You get the cheaper rate in return for less flexibility, dont want it less flexible? then you dont get it cheap.
Also remember the majority of the population don't understand thermostats (high temperature = heats up faster !$@$@!!) and for all the snakiness in this thread... air-air mini splits (and many commercial multi-head units) the remote control is just a set of buttons/display and the temperature sensor is buried inside the fan/head unit.
Alti:
--- Quote from: Someone on September 04, 2022, 10:37:45 am ---(..) that all heating loads are connected to the moderated supply and you cannot run any alternatives on the regular supply.
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Shouldn't. That is exactly why this is stupid. The very first thing people are going to do when cold is to turn on any kettle, oven and toaster they have. With air conditioning they are going to "heat something in microwave oven..." or plug in their less efficient portable AC. This whole concept is no different than a 60-yo two tariff meter with a second tariff set at rip-off price. Same results expected.
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