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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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Marco:
Most people only really respond to pricing incentives to consume less when the bill comes in and they go broke, but that's generally way too late.

langwadt:

--- Quote from: Nusa on September 03, 2022, 10:33:06 pm ---
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--- Quote from: BravoV on September 02, 2022, 04:06:41 pm ---The so called "Operation Thermostat"  >:D is happening in US, just curious if similar case will happen also in EU countries especially in winter ?
As fact that many EU leaders already warned few days ago to their citizens about energy crisis to come.

Source -> https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/contact-denver7/thousands-of-xcel-customers-locked-out-of-thermostats-during-energy-emergency

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Thousands of Xcel customers locked out of thermostats during 'energy emergency'

22,000 people lost control of temperatures in their homes for hours ...

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From that linked article for those who won't read it:

--- Quote ---"It's a voluntary program. Let's remember that this is something that customers choose to be a part of based on the incentives," said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation at Xcel.

Customers receive a $100 credit for enrolling in the program and $25 annually, but Romine said customers also agree to give up some control to save energy and money and make the system more reliable.
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Customers opted in (possibly without fully understanding what they were signing up for) to receive a reduced cost supply in return for remote shedding being enabled on their thermostat. Which left them unable to set it to cool below 26 degrees, not some mass disaster, not some monopoly/government over reach, a $$ compensated minor inconvenience.

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Gotta wonder how many of them were cute enough to hack the environment instead? For instance, heat up something in the microwave and set or tie it under the thermostat. Repeat as necessary.

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back in the 80's my dad installed a system to lower the temperature at programmable times, it was basically a power resistors in a plastic holder that snapped onto each radiator thermostat valve

Someone:

--- Quote from: Alti on September 04, 2022, 11:42:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on September 04, 2022, 10:37:45 am ---(..) that all heating loads are connected to the moderated supply and you cannot run any alternatives on the regular supply.
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Shouldn't. That is exactly why this is stupid. The very first thing people are going to do when cold is to turn on any kettle, oven and toaster they have. With air conditioning they are going to "heat something in microwave oven..." or plug in their less efficient portable AC. This whole concept is no different than a 60-yo two tariff meter with a second tariff set at rip-off price. Same results expected.

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Way to butcher the quote so it means something entirely different. The contract with the supplier is you get cheap power by agreeing that you won't move the load to another supply when it suits you. It is a contract, that may well be poorly enforced since so few consumers are able to move the large loads to another source, but the agreement is that the load cannot be powered at the customers convenience.

tom66:
So Nord Stream 1 is now off for good,  "oh no, an oil leak was discovered Vlad!  We'll have to switch it all off!"

And the price begins to climb again: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

Can the EU survive with NS1 off for the rest of the year?  There's enough gas storage in Germany to survive the winter but what about next spring, summer, etc? There will be still demand from heavy industry, if any is still economically viable.

nctnico:
Groningen...

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