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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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Siwastaja:
Germany still has a good asset in their hands, temporary extension of their shut down nuclear power plants. I'm not saying it's not without issues, but this is, in the end, political decision, based on weighing different risks. Remember, Finland can't pay for the gas bills much longer, that resource is soon exhausted. So the options really are very expensive and/or cold showers (risking political instability), monetizing Russia's war machine even more (they sure are willing to sell), or resurrecting some of the NPPs. To me, the NPP option is obvious even though I'm not a huge fan of nuclear at all and think we should get rid of it long-term.
voltsandjolts:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 06, 2022, 11:03:14 am ---In 99% of cases they will rather do something is spite even if it hurts them even more.

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Yup.
The Russian government mafia care little for foreigners or indeed Russian citizens.
Screw them all for the crazy ideaology of a corrupt authoritarian mega-block.
They like to order extra-judicial killings, but maybe some are now looking over their shoulders. Hehe.
MT:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 31, 2022, 12:27:57 pm ---Strawman arguments attacking other people's personality and intent is unimpressive.

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Precisely what you demonstrably did! Therefore i kindly ask you, please stop being a hypocrite and introducing politics to this thread and the forum in general.

As i pointed out in this threads very first page you have the option to join and actually do something for UK instead
of letting UK go down the toilet by wasting your time attacking other people's personality , intents and opinions.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/gas-armageddon-energyelectricity-prices-in-euuk-(and-how-to-deal-with-them)/msg4379452/#msg4379452
https://dontpay.uk

And for those who constantly blame Russia for causing "whatever country's" energy shortage:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/european-energy-crisis-natural-gas-price-outlook-norway-russia-supply-2022-8?op=1
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/norway-rakes-highest-ever-oil-revenues-prices-surge
https://www.rigzone.com/news/who_is_europes_top_gas_supplier-02-aug-2022-169831-article/

Perhaps as a UK citizen you could sober up a bit tggzz and actually learn something , but i doubt.
UK Column:
UKC Interview: Vernon Coleman - From The Medicine Man to the Cabbage War - An Analysis of Medical Corruption and Insanity
https://odysee.com/@ukcolumn:9/ukcolumn-news-010922:7
nctnico:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 06, 2022, 11:44:46 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on September 06, 2022, 11:09:21 am ---Meanwhile they are flaring off gas that they cannot sell, and cannot convert into LNG to sell to China et al.

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EU cannot get LNG out of nowhere either. It's all about who gives up first. And I'm pretty sure it won't be Russia.

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LNG isn't the only option. There is lots of gas in Europe. The biggest problem is lack of political will to pump it up. Just like turning up nuclear power.


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--- Quote from: nctnico on September 06, 2022, 11:27:28 am ---Yup. It is not like Russia suddenly has extra capacity to export gas to China. They'd need to put extra pipes in place for which they need components from abroad...

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They'd build a new pipeline rather than submit IMHO.

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That takes years; not a short term viable option.

You forget the easiest way out by far for the Russians is to simply get rid of Poetin and his weird ideas. Nobody is against Russia; Poetin and his regime are the problem.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 06, 2022, 11:38:19 am ---We can do nothing but to watch this farce, and of course re-design our lives from scratch, for example become more self-sufficient with food and energy, stop going to work (or at least stop getting paid for it), and so on. And of course, with no public healthcare anymore, and with no money to buy private services, better not fall sick. Full blown survivalist shit we all laughed at just a few years ago.

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You are being overly dramatic. Europe was shot to bits not that long ago and we recovered just fine. Every few years there is a crisis. You know what they say: 7 good years are followed by 7 bad years and vice versa. This is not the first time things go bad and it won't be the last time.
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