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wraper:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 07, 2022, 08:54:33 pm ---It's really concerning IMHO that so many people seem to take non-western countries as just completely clueless and irrational (while they are currently rising at a pace we never have). It's definitively as though we are completely unable to think outside of our small western box.

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To that I want to add they talk as if Western countries are some kind of holy beacon of rightfulness and everyone else should adhere to their agenda. I may blow your mind, but Western countries have only a relatively small part of total world population. And other countries which have majority of population have their own interests which often are very different, not to say contradictory. In other words, would you work for your own sake, or would do everything just as your neighbor says in his own interests? Even though he's a guy everyone respects.
tonyget:

--- Quote from: nctnico on September 06, 2022, 10:35:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nusa on September 06, 2022, 09:17:45 pm ---It works both ways. Europe will have to make do with shutting down industries

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A lot of those generic industries won't survive the transition to renewable energy anyway. Only the very high-tech, highly specialised companies that have second to none products will survive. There are many of such companies across Europe. I'm not worried at all.

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What makes you think that high-tech isn't energy intensive?Did you know that TSMC is biggest power consumer in TW,a single EUV machine consumes 30k kWh per day. It is anticipated that by 2025 TSMC will consume 25% of entire Taiwan electricity. Not to mention data centers AI trainings etc,the needs for computational power is growing and it requires lots of power.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: tonyget on September 07, 2022, 09:12:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 06, 2022, 10:35:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nusa on September 06, 2022, 09:17:45 pm ---It works both ways. Europe will have to make do with shutting down industries

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A lot of those generic industries won't survive the transition to renewable energy anyway. Only the very high-tech, highly specialised companies that have second to none products will survive. There are many of such companies across Europe. I'm not worried at all.

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What makes you think that high-tech isn't energy intensive?Did you know that TSMC is biggest power consumer in TW,a single EUV machine consumes 30k kWh per day. It is anticipated that by 2025 TSMC will consume 25% of entire Taiwan electricity. Not to mention data centers AI trainings etc,the needs for computational power is growing and it requires lots of power.

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That is not my point. High-tech industry creates a lot of value. An old, inefficient steel factory that produces the kind of generic steel you can produce anywhere on the world, does not. Especially in a place with high energy costs.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 07, 2022, 08:54:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 07, 2022, 07:51:23 pm ---The biggest question is whether China is 'thinking' rationally about invading Taiwan or not. They'd be shooting a hole the size of the moon in their feet but might still do it out of nationalistic sentiment (in order to draw the attention away from problems brewing inside China).

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One bigger question yet is whether you (or anyone here really) fully knows the ins and outs of China's politics in general and what's related to Taiwan in particular. The most probable answer is: absolutely not.

It's really concerning IMHO that so many people seem to take non-western countries as just completely clueless and irrational (while they are currently rising at a pace we never have). It's definitively as though we are completely unable to think outside of our small western box.

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You are right up to a point but there are some universal values that all people want. Being able to live safely for example. Human rights violations are a big issue in China and you can't sweep that under the rug while declaring 'that is how their culture works'.

Some parts of a culture aren't perfect and western countries are no exception. In the Netherlands we have the ongoing discussion about 'black pete' (not to be mistaken for blackface; but some people do) which is deeply rooted in Dutch culture and goes back several centuries. But we (the Dutch people) are willing to listen to complaints and slowly change our habbits. That is where the difference is: being willing to listen to others and not stick to dogmas / telling people not to interfere with internal affairs.

OTOH the Chinese also know that some parts of their culture aren't positive. Like spitting on the floor for example which they are trying to ban.
tonyget:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 07, 2022, 08:54:33 pm ---It's really concerning IMHO that so many people seem to take non-western countries as just completely clueless and irrational (while they are currently rising at a pace we never have). It's definitively as though we are completely unable to think outside of our small western box.

That is *our* problem and that's exactly what those countries are currently telling us. That includes all BRICS really. India seems "softer" but don't underestimate them either. Are we sure we are worth more, are morally better and have the capacity of fighting against China, Russia and India (and probably a lot of their allies)? Just wondering.

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Western media always portray articles in a western-centric fashion,substitute the world "west" with "global".

Such as "the global campaign against Russia aggression",which is actually limited within the west. I saw an article a while ago,it's about improving US-developing countries relation,it mentioned that many developing countries are very unhappy about the West took action against Russia without consulting with them,because the disrupted Russian food and fuel supply created massive crisis in many developing countries.



Same thing with Taiwan issue. I don't think any country outside of western camp supports TW's stance,or dispute China's stance on TW. But of course,western media will tell you that "the global community" is on TW's side.
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