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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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james_s:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 07, 2022, 09:09:28 pm ---To that I want to add they talk as if Western countries are some kind of holy beacon of rightfulness and everyone else should adhere to their agenda. I may blow your mind, but Western countries have only a relatively small part of total world population. And other countries which have majority of population have their own interests which often are very different, not to say contradictory. In other words, would you work for your own sake, or would do everything just as your neighbor says in his own interests? Even though he's a guy everyone respects.

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It's all a matter of perspective. I think almost anyone will feel that their own country, way of life, or that which is familiar to them is the way to go. Some people take this too far, but that is part of the human condition.

BravoV:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 07, 2022, 08:54:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 07, 2022, 07:51:23 pm ---The biggest question is whether China is 'thinking' rationally about invading Taiwan or not. They'd be shooting a hole the size of the moon in their feet but might still do it out of nationalistic sentiment (in order to draw the attention away from problems brewing inside China).

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One bigger question yet is whether you (or anyone here really) fully knows the ins and outs of China's politics in general and what's related to Taiwan in particular. The most probable answer is: absolutely not.

It's really concerning IMHO that so many people seem to take non-western countries as just completely clueless and irrational (while they are currently rising at a pace we never have). It's definitively as though we are completely unable to think outside of our small western box.

That is *our* problem and that's exactly what those countries are currently telling us. That includes all BRICS really. India seems "softer" but don't underestimate them either. Are we sure we are worth more, are morally better and have the capacity of fighting against China, Russia and India (and probably a lot of their allies)? Just wondering.

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Its all about narratives that suits the geo-political agenda by the US and the West.

For those who are old enough to remember in late 70s and 80s where the whole Western narrative to named Iran the "axis of evil" just because no more freebie on Iran's oil.  Lately this is going to change as energy crisis hit EU, and become friendlier and softer to Iran as all US & EU wants is to reduce the pressure on the energy price globally and ease the paint inflicted by themself by banning Russia energy.

Lately for the last 5 to 10 years, the narrative from the West is shifting and accelerating really fast on demonizing China, watch carefully the shift on "the narrative", soon China will be labelled "axis of evil" and the great threat of Western ... err .. I mean international rule based order.  :-DD

The similar scene is also happening in Europe, where the old narrative ... "we hate evil Putin, not Russians" is now shifting ... we hate all Russians, ban Russia culture/language/people and etc, you're smart to enough to recognize this pattern like the old one so called the "3rd Reich".  >:D

The sense of "entitlement" and superiority to criticize, lecture and to "fix" other countries is rooted on the colonialism mentality that the West have been enjoying for the past few centuries, but this is about to change, and its happening fast.

Suggestion, sometimes one needs to question self, why hate so much on certain countries/regimes/leaders, while sort of ignores others even they're nastier than your own standard (eg: Arab Saudi as easy example), is it possible what ever you hate or like is all artificially implanted (brainwashed) for decades by your own government and medias ?

BravoV:

--- Quote from: nctnico on September 07, 2022, 09:21:49 pm ---You are right up to a point but there are some universal values that all people want. Being able to live safely for example. Human rights violations are a big issue in China and you can't sweep that under the rug while declaring 'that is how their culture works'.

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I guess with my post above on Switzerland's tyranny on jailing people who want to heat their own home, even they can afford it, is your concern too, right ?

Fyi, there are lot of rich people in Swiss, eg : Klaus Schwab and others.

Rather than "worry" for people at far-far away land China and Taiwan, why don't Dutch starting to deal with the "human right" issue in Switzerland as its so nearby ?  >:D

The argument is simple, if you do not have the right and freedom to heat your own home as you like, then as to guard & protect  :-DD the international rule based order, Dutch or EU countries must start to pressure/lecture or even fix Switzerland, sanction them, or even better topple their evil government that violate basic human right to get warm home, and support the opposition there.

Yeah, its all about fixing the narrative to suit your political agenda, isn't it ? So convenient.

wraper:

--- Quote from: BravoV on September 08, 2022, 04:07:05 am ---The similar scene is also happening in Europe, where the old narrative ... "we hate evil Putin, not Russians" is now shifting ... we hate all Russians, ban Russia culture/language/people and etc, you're smart to enough to recognize this pattern like the old one so called the "3rd Reich".  >:D

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Oh yeah, Latvian government right now actively destroys all remaining Soviet era monuments supposedly because of evil Putin.

tom66:

--- Quote from: Marco on September 07, 2022, 03:07:01 pm ---Rationing is the only moral way to divide non luxury goods in a crisis.

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Yes, it is either ration energy, or force people to pay 10-20x more so that they self-ration.  I know I'd rather have rationing.

And frankly 19C home is fine!  If you feel a little chilly then wear a long sleeve t-shirt and a jumper, and you will be absolutely fine. 

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