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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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JohanH:

--- Quote ---you're smart to enough to recognize this pattern like the old one so called the "3rd Reich".

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Can you all Putin defenders just join his "3rd Reich" project so we can get some real tech and energy discussions here.


--- Quote ---The argument is simple, if you do not have the right and freedom to heat your own home as you like

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I've also heard that in some countries, people can be deprived of their freedom or even be forced to pay, if they drive faster than a certain speed limit! We are doomed!

On a serious note, ever heard of energy rationing? This is pretty much turning into war time and there is only one main actor to blame.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: tonyget on September 07, 2022, 10:09:32 pm ---because the disrupted Russian food and fuel supply created massive crisis in many developing countries.
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I haven't heard about West sanctions to Russian food and fuel supply to developing countries. Can you give an example of such (but not a cite from Putin's speech)?

wraper:

--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 08, 2022, 10:30:35 am ---
--- Quote from: tonyget on September 07, 2022, 10:09:32 pm ---because the disrupted Russian food and fuel supply created massive crisis in many developing countries.
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I haven't heard about West sanctions to Russian food and fuel supply to developing countries. Can you give an example of such (but not a cite from Putin's speech)?

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Sanctions are not on food as such. But on money transfer and transportation. Which makes it much more difficult to pay and transport. The result was food shortage and large price increase, and who do you think has the least money to pay while others snatch it right under their nose at higher price? Look at current situation with Ukraine and Russia reaching agreement to allow tankers with food leaving Ukrainian ports. And Zelenskyy boasting it's for saving Africa. Guess what, none of them have gone to Africa, all gone where they get paid more.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 08, 2022, 10:43:02 am --- agreement to allow tankers with food leaving Ukrainian ports. And Zelenskyy boasting it's for saving Africa. Guess what, none of them have gone to Africa, all gone where they get paid more.

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Tankers went to clients who bought that corn. If African countries haven't bought anything (I don't know) - is that a Zelenskyy's or Ukrainians fault?
Is it bad when Ukraine have a possibility to sell it's products abroad? An agriculture is about 25% (or more) of the whole Ukrainian export and income. So Ukraine can't sustain it's economy without it.

PS.: Are you really happy to protect Russian invasion to Ukraine and to spread Putin's agenda?

tom66:
Russia effectively sanctioned Ukrainian grain by blockading the Black Sea.  There are not sufficient land routes to get grain into international markets otherwise.

Anyway, it does not matter too much where the grain from Ukraine goes because allowing more grain into the market will cause prices to fall regardless.

Also let's not forget that Russia stole a load of Ukrainian grain too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61790625

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