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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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wraper:

--- Quote from: tom66 on September 08, 2022, 11:24:46 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on September 08, 2022, 11:22:46 am ---Ukrainians placed sea mines too to prevent Russians invading from the sea. So it was not a simple as just Russians allowing food tankers to pass.

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And part of the agreement was that Ukraine would guide the ships through the unmined areas.  This is not news.   The problem is that Russia decided to invade Ukraine.  You cannot justify Russia's actions here, because they have no moral or legal justification.

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I do not justify anything. I say it's all not as simple or straightforward as you say. I may understand/explain why Russia does something. Does not mean I justify their action of war.
tom66:

--- Quote from: coppice on September 08, 2022, 11:14:32 am ---Energy rationing is easy to achieve by controlling gas stations, and turning off mains power at selected times. However, I wonder what they can do with gas, which seems to be the thing with the biggest supply problem? Don't they need careful procedures to prevent explosions when turning the public gas supply off and on? I'm not sure. I've never seen the flow of gas stop since it was first turned on.

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I wonder if you reduce the gas pressure to domestic properties, it may limit the rate at which gas appliances can use gas.  Boilers will not be able to burn as much gas, and won't produce as much heat.  However, I think the issue is that this would lead to varying pressure as more appliances turn on, which could create some issues.
coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on September 08, 2022, 01:30:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on September 08, 2022, 11:14:32 am ---Energy rationing is easy to achieve by controlling gas stations, and turning off mains power at selected times. However, I wonder what they can do with gas, which seems to be the thing with the biggest supply problem? Don't they need careful procedures to prevent explosions when turning the public gas supply off and on? I'm not sure. I've never seen the flow of gas stop since it was first turned on.

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I wonder if you reduce the gas pressure to domestic properties, it may limit the rate at which gas appliances can use gas.  Boilers will not be able to burn as much gas, and won't produce as much heat.  However, I think the issue is that this would lead to varying pressure as more appliances turn on, which could create some issues.

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Judging by the time to boil water on the hob, gas pressure does vary quite a bit. The gas energy content does change, depending on the source (its not pure methane by any means). That's a relatively long term change, though, and is adjusted for in pricing. Boil times seem to vary with the time of day.
RoGeorge:

--- Quote from: tom66 on September 08, 2022, 11:24:46 am ---The problem is that Russia decided to invade Ukraine.  You cannot justify Russia's actions here
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If it only were that simple.  Have you seen any of these:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPXDAOv6gXa3Xsx-rKLYd0W1LvhjlwCTk
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7imSoPkNITXIq7yhbh_rv35fqK7kFiAx
 ?

The problem is that both sides have their own kind of reasons to do what they are doing, or what they already did.  It is more complicated than just x-good, y-bad.

I think what we are seeing now in Ukraine is the followup of foreign influences over Ukraine from the last decade, and not just a caprice of Russia this spring.



Now, putting aside the Russia-Ukraine for a moment, and talking about the whole western world, I am not yet sure if the "collapse driven by our own governments" that we are witnessing lately is intentional or not.  To me, with each day it all seems more and more like a maleficent plot, and not just an unhappy train of events.
BravoV:

--- Quote from: RoGeorge on September 08, 2022, 01:43:18 pm ---Now, putting aside the Russia-Ukraine for a moment, and talking about the whole western world, I am not yet sure if the "collapse driven by our own governments" that we are witnessing lately is intentional or not.  To me, with each day it all seems more and more like a maleficent plot, and not just an unhappy train of events.

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The crisis that EU countries are facing was planned, "NOT" a back fired clumsy plan, its working as intended.

What are you witnessing is the massive power grab by EU officials (not elected by the people directly), to make Brussel sort of pseudo state that holds absolute great power above many of EU countries, and this is the right moment at the right time to do it, while keeps the escape goat the super villain Putin.

Watch how EU officials (NOT NATO) are now talking like NATO leaders, like talking to train troops, increasing military budget, send weapons to Ukraine and etc, the line dividing between EU and NATO is becoming so blur, don't you agree ?  >:D

Simple example, does Hungary's Victor Orban rings a bell ? He is fighting Brussels for the sake of "HIS OWN" people Hungarians, what is wrong with that ? He is now is most EU hated head of state, and being accused of Putin sympathizer. All he is done is to protect his own people and country's interest, which the reason he gets elected from the 1st place, not those EU officials.

The collapsed of EU countries governments (which is elected by the people) is happening day by day, I see you carry Romanian flag, do you think your country still have it's sovereignty on it's own ? Say on energy policy, money/budget policy (example what happened in the past like on Greece where the ordinary people's money in their bank can be freezed overnight just because Brussels said so) and many others.

The weakened state and weakened head of state (even elected by the people) , are the perfect combination to subdue a nation completely, and this time its happening in mass throughout the EU countries, amazing and scary at the same time IMO.

Btw, every times when appointing top EU officials (like at NATO), they must be blessed by Washington 1st or no go at all, its a public secret.  >:D
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