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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)

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Zero999:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 08, 2022, 11:57:23 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on September 08, 2022, 11:24:46 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on September 08, 2022, 11:22:46 am ---Ukrainians placed sea mines too to prevent Russians invading from the sea. So it was not a simple as just Russians allowing food tankers to pass.

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And part of the agreement was that Ukraine would guide the ships through the unmined areas.  This is not news.   The problem is that Russia decided to invade Ukraine.  You cannot justify Russia's actions here, because they have no moral or legal justification.

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I do not justify anything. I say it's all not as simple or straightforward as you say. I may understand/explain why Russia does something. Does not mean I justify their action of war.

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That's also what I've being doing.

Going back to the point I made about the ethnic component to the war. Here's a thought experiment. If the war were to end today. What do you think would happen to all those ethnic Russians living in Eastern Ukraine? Does anyone seriously believe they would be accepted back into society without any problems? A big reason for the war, was the Ukrainian Russians not being happy with the country becoming more aligned to the West. Putin believes he is helping them. I can't see this ending soon. I can see parallels with the troubles in Northern Ireland.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 08, 2022, 09:48:14 pm --- What do you think would happen to all those ethnic Russians living in Eastern Ukraine?
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Do you think 'ethnic Russians' live only in Eastern Ukraine (but not all over Ukraine)? What do you think happen and happening now to them all over Ukraine?  |O
Do you really think we eat or crusify Russian babies for breakfast (as it was shown by Russian propaganda on the Donbas in 2014)?

Someone:

--- Quote from: coppice on September 08, 2022, 11:14:32 am ---Energy rationing is easy to achieve by controlling gas stations, and turning off mains power at selected times. However, I wonder what they can do with gas, which seems to be the thing with the biggest supply problem? Don't they need careful procedures to prevent explosions when turning the public gas supply off and on? I'm not sure. I've never seen the flow of gas stop since it was first turned on.
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There have been wide scale loss of gas events:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esso_Longford_gas_explosion
Nothing special done in restoring the flow, there is a Royal Commission report available online if you want all the technical details of the drama.

Bud:
@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?

tautech:

--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2022, 12:36:59 am ---@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?

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He is living the nightmare, Google where he lives.

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