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Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2022, 12:36:59 am ---@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?

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I don't want to start itself any political talks. I just can't stand to hear russian propaganda speeches spreading. Because I'm full of it. And now (last 6 month) when I hear not only pro-russian speeches but and air alarms and my people diying of russian shells and rockets (that all together) - that is too much for me and I react to it.
It works in this way: first goes russian propaganda (about bad ukrainians or 'it is all not that simple' and then go russian army.
That's why everytime I hear 100% russian speech (e.g. Putin yesterday 'was conserned that Ukraine doesn't sell food to Africa, but sells it in EU instead' - I feel attacked, and react respectively. I feel like I must tell people in the world what narratives are 100% alighn with a Moscow Cremlin.
Sorry.
There are several typical keyphrases which typically mean they are russian narratives, and 'It's not that simple' is one of it. And reading my previous reactions you may find others. Some of them are steady (for 8 years now) and some of them are new topics going from russian Cremlin.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: tautech on September 09, 2022, 12:43:17 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2022, 12:36:59 am ---@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?

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He is living the nightmare, Google where he lives.

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Yes, thank you. It was a real nightmare in Spring (from the very beginning of the war in 24 of Fenruary), when russianZ tried to occupy Kiyv - the capital of Ukraine where I live. I witnessed russian planes (when they weren't afraid of our army in the first days) and rockets, with my wife in our flat. We couldn't know if we'll be alive till the end of the day or not. Large (the largest) guns (152/203mm) fired several kilometers away from my home.  It was more than a month - February and an April of a severe nightmare. Then in the first days of May Russians were chased away from Kiyv and most of the North. They called it 'a goodwill gesture' but it was anything but a 'goodwill'. ('A second army in the world' as they call itself , they realized they don't have enough forces and they needed Donbas more).
Now a frontline is far from my city, and news are encouraging (thank's to West help and weaponry!), so we (Kievites) kind of feel some relief.
Now I feel like I have again a chance to die my own death :) but not from some russian soldier.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 08, 2022, 09:56:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 08, 2022, 09:48:14 pm --- What do you think would happen to all those ethnic Russians living in Eastern Ukraine?
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Do you think 'ethnic Russians' live only in Eastern Ukraine (but not all over Ukraine)? What do you think happen and happening now to them all over Ukraine?  |O
Do you really think we eat or crusify Russian babies for breakfast (as it was shown by Russian propaganda on the Donbas in 2014)?

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They're mostly concentrated in the east, which is why Russia is focussing its attention on that area.

More often than not, there's an element of truth to propaganda, so no, I don't believe they're crucifying Russian babies, but denying Russians jobs, housing and socially stigmatising them seems very plausible. This was probably going on before the war and will continue afterwards. A similar thing has happened to ethnic minorities in many parts of the world. Political instability, economic hardship and war make it worse.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 09, 2022, 08:34:01 am --- but denying Russians jobs, housing and socially stigmatising them seems very plausible.

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That is a 100% untrue. You may find it as a logical explanation to a russian aggression, but there wasn't such a thing.
Ukraine just started to realize in 2013-2014 that its way to best life is aligned with Europe, but not with Russia (which was always an occupant and now is) - and this was a real cause (along with a Putin's desire to 'Made Soviet Union Great Again' - which is not possible w/o Ukraine).
The occupation of Ukrainian Crimea was conducted by Russia accordingly to a plan but not accidentally. It happened at a moment when our country was in a very weak and vulnerable position.

Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 09, 2022, 08:34:01 am ---They're mostly concentrated in the east, which is why Russia is focussing its attention on that area.

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The east is a border with a Russia, which is why Russia is focussing its attention on that area! It is much easy to brainwash people in our east because they are closer and more connected to Russia, so it is much easier to influence there. Do you understand the term 'Russification'?
East of Ukraine (I mean cities but not villages) was russian-speaking (thanks to Russian Empire occupation and russification and then Soviet Union occupation and russification) and it was very easy for Russia to manipulate between 'russian-speaking people' and 'ethnic russians'. But there wasn't any ethnic conflict!. It possibly may be seen for you as an 'ethnic Russian-Ukraine conflict' but a Russia is the only aggressor and occupant.
Putin is a very weak and thin copy of Hitler or Stalin, but Russian propaganda is strong somewhere, as I see.

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