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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
G7PSK:
The real reason why electricity prices are so high? https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/great-wind-farm-rip-off-27889339?utm_source=sharebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar
tom66:
--- Quote from: G7PSK on September 09, 2022, 08:59:54 am ---The real reason why electricity prices are so high? https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/great-wind-farm-rip-off-27889339?utm_source=sharebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar
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It seems that part of the UK governments agenda here will be to negotiate longer term contracts with these providers to reduce the rate. Already Ofgem is consulting to decouple the cost of wind/solar from gas, which is something several energy companies have been pushing for already.
It probably will start with a kindly "please" but if they don't budge then it will go in via legislation.
It's one way the £100bn bill will be reduced, by perhaps up to £40bn.
Similar moves will be seen across Europe, the EU have been talking about it already as well.
I think it's very much a fair move.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 09, 2022, 08:56:47 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 09, 2022, 08:34:01 am ---They're mostly concentrated in the east, which is why Russia is focussing its attention on that area.
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The east is a border with a Russia, which is why Russia is focussing its attention on that area! It is much easy to brainwash people in our east because they are closer and more connected to Russia, so it is much easier to influence there. Do you understand the term 'Russification'?
East of Ukraine (I mean cities but not villages) was russian-speaking (thanks to Russian Empire occupation and russification and then Soviet Union occupation and russification) and it was very easy for Russia to manipulate between 'russian-speaking people' and 'ethnic russians'. But there wasn't any ethnic conflict!. It possibly may be seen for you as an 'ethnic Russian-Ukraine conflict' but a Russia is the only aggressor and occupant.
Putin is a very weak and thin copy of Hitler or Stalin, but Russian propaganda is strong somewhere, as I see.
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From what I understand the people in the east of Ukraine where neglected and didn't share in the economic growth the the country making it a very fertile breeding ground for mutany. There will be people who feel they are discriminated somehow and like to belong to a different group. Ethnic 'problems' are everywhere and can easely escalate. Likely Russia has fueled this situation and lit the fire. It takes a very carefull analysis of events to figure out what has happened exactly leading up to the civil war in the east of Ukraine.
JohanH:
--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2022, 12:36:59 am ---@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?
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For people living close to Russia (like in Finland), it is much easier to see through the vast amount of propaganda coming from Kremlin. We have been used to it for years. Recommended reading Putin's Trolls, by a journalist from Finland (translated to many languages):
https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293
I can't imagine how it would feel also being invaded by the Russian army and on the same time being criticized by people from the west that are literally quoting Kremlin propaganda lines, straight from their book.
So you have to understand that anyone from Ukraine or Russia's border countries are going to speak up when they see Kremlin propaganda parroted.
Vovk_Z:
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 09, 2022, 09:46:34 am ---From what I understand the people in the east of Ukraine where neglected and didn't share in the economic growth the the country making it a very fertile breeding ground for mutany. There will be people who feel they are discriminated somehow
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It may be shown as that. But in a real life 1) all Ukrainian people were not very rich and 2) Donbas (east of UA) was the very donated region from all of the UA regions (bosses of Donetsk mafia ruled the region and in fact - the country. President Yanukovich was from a Donbas), 3) Russian TV and all propaganda (widespread in East, South, Crimea) showed Rusia as 'rich and good' (and stronk). Russia 'helped' them to understand that they are 'discriminated'. But the fact that it not only made propaganda thing, but it started real aggression with a force.
For example, Odesa, Dnipro, Zaporizhia, and Kharkiv (the largest south and east cities) were 'oppressed and neglected' as occupied Lugansk and Donetsk, in the same amount (/s). But since 2014-2015 they lived fine, safe and steady.
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