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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
magic:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 09, 2022, 03:04:29 pm ---It is "well known" how Finland is the "most racist" country in Europe, this is repeatedly told by our very own leaders.
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Not Poland and Hungary?
We need to up our game.
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 09, 2022, 03:04:29 pm ---people like Zero999 would discuss on the internet how "there is usually some truth in the propaganda, and look these Western news articles that describe how Finland indeed has been most racist country in the EU, and there is some evidence of Finnish authorities taking kids of russians into custody..."
While in reality, it would be total bullshit, well conditioned over years or decades.
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That's not Finland, but I have seen flamewars between minority Russians from the Baltics and the natives. I wouldn't exactly describe their coexistence as entirely peaceful. Kinda reminds me of the situation in America before 2010: everybody says racism is basically a thing of the past, until you ask the hyphenated themselves or those stuck living in their vicinity and find an inexplicable disdain for each other. Well, the rest is history in that case ::)
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: magic on September 11, 2022, 04:14:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 09, 2022, 03:04:29 pm ---It is "well known" how Finland is the "most racist" country in Europe, this is repeatedly told by our very own leaders.
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Not Poland and Hungary?
We need to up our game.
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 09, 2022, 03:04:29 pm ---people like Zero999 would discuss on the internet how "there is usually some truth in the propaganda, and look these Western news articles that describe how Finland indeed has been most racist country in the EU, and there is some evidence of Finnish authorities taking kids of russians into custody..."
While in reality, it would be total bullshit, well conditioned over years or decades.
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That's not Finland, but I have seen flamewars between minority Russians from the Baltics and the natives. I wouldn't exactly describe their coexistence as entirely peaceful. Kinda reminds me of the situation in America before 2010: everybody says racism is basically a thing of the past, until you ask the hyphenated themselves or those stuck living in their vicinity and find an inexplicable disdain for each other. Well, the rest is history in that case ::)
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Sadly I have to report that this is the case in the UK as well.
vad:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 30, 2022, 09:58:17 am ---
--- Quote from: vad on August 30, 2022, 05:05:58 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 06:28:21 pm ---I don't support Putin, but the EU, along with NATO are partly responsible for this mess in the first place. If they promised Russia they weren't going to expand eastwards and kept to it and stopped interfering
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This is Russian propaganda. There is no a single international agreement, ratified by any NATO member state or not, that spells out such promises.
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Yes, there is.
It's called the Budapest memorandum. It states:
--- Quote ---Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
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Oh wait...
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Where does the Budapest memorandum says that sovereign Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine cannot make their sovereign decision to join defensive pacts?
Also, in this memorandum the guarantees were given ___BY___ Russia, UK and US ___TO___ Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, for giving up their nuclear weapons and transferring them to Russia.
Russia, on the other hand, violated obligations it gave to Ukraine under the Budapest memorandum, using threats and military force against Ukraine since the war started in 2014.
vad:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 30, 2022, 05:09:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: vad on August 30, 2022, 05:16:58 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 29, 2022, 08:00:08 pm ---The problem with propaganda is there's some element of truth to it. I can confirm there are Nazis in Ukraine. I've been there and witnessed it myself. It goes back to the Germans helping some Ukrainians, during the WW2. Obviously, Zelenskyy is no Nazi, neither are most Ukrainians and that's no justification for it. My point is, some of the money sent by the West is going to Nazis.
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This is Russian propaganda. The truth is, Zelensky, who is ethnic Jew, got 73% popular vote during last elections.
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What propaganda? I've been to Ukraine and personally spoken to Nazis there. They referred to blacks as niggers and that the country would be better without them and the Jews. I know Zelensky is a Jew. I never said he was a Nazi. I clearly said that's not the case. How free and fair the election was is another matter. It's much more complicated than Putin bad, Zelensky good. The two men have a lot in common, character wise. They're built of the same stuff. The difference is Putin did start it and is in the wrong, but that doesn't mean Zelensky is a saint.
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I lived both in Russia and Ukraine, as well as in Australia, North America and South East Asia, and can attest that you can find all kind of people everywhere, including murderers, rapists, Nazis, KKK white suprematists, useful idiots.
I also speak Russian natively, and can give a little language lesson.
In Russian, word негр (nigger) does not carry negative connotation. Russia did not participate in Atlantic triangular slave trade, did not have native African slave population, and today this word is not associated with racism in Russia. The word негр came from Spanish word negro.
Word чёрный (black), on the other hand, has strong racial connotation when used in relation to a person. It usually used as insulting nickname for native Caucuses population (Chechens, Dagestan people, Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijani). Stronger version is чёрножопый (literally black a$$)
Back on topic. I saw more Nazis and antisemites in Russia, than I saw in Ukraine. My former boss, born in St. Petersburg, USSR, emigrated from Russia, because of his Jewish descent, and he and his parents were oppressed throughput their live, at work (parents were scientists), at school and university, because of their ethnicity. Today there are many Nazis in Russian elite. Putin’s main ideologist Alexander Dugin, whose daughter was recently killed by explosion device that she personally brought from Donbass region of Ukrainian, is pure Nazi. Former minister and former head of Russia’s Space Agency Dmitry Rogozin is Nazi. In his early days Rogozin , as politician, organized Русский Марш (Russian supremacist’s rally), and featured in election TV commercials with catch phrase “очистим Москву от мусора“, literally meaning deportation of human garbage (чёрножопыж emigrants). Even Russian opposition leader Alexey Navalny, is racist, and was active participant of Русский Марш (the Russian supremacist’s rallies).
I, myself, do not see much difference between Nazi ideology and Communist ideology, between Gestapo and KGB. Both are evil. Both murdered many millions people. Ukraine is not a Nazi state. Russia is KGB state.
vad:
--- Quote from: wraper on September 11, 2022, 02:14:28 pm ---So I received an electricity bill for last month. EUR 198.50 for puny 293 kWh, 2x more than for July for a bit less energy spent and about 5x more than last year. Wonderful, everything just wonderful. I guess by winter electricity + heating will be well above average household income in less wealthy regions of Latvia. And I feel real bad for pensioners, especially lonely ones as their pension is about EUR 370 in average and much less for unlucky ones.
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This sucks.
As a comparison, house of a colleague of my childhood friend was shelled in March. She was lucky, only suffered concussion and minor injuries, and was able to flee from Mariupol to western Ukraine before Russian forces rolled into the city.
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