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vad:
My view on the “Gas Armageddon” in Europe. Europeans made this Armageddon possible.

For decades Europe’s leaders put blind eye on Putin’s regime. Many got bribed by Russia (Chancellor Schröder, for example).

They supplied military technology and equipment to Russia: thermal vision cameras (Thales, France), advanced microelectronics and gyros found in Russian cruise and ballistic missiles. They almost sold two helicopter carriers to Russia (France).

They let their countries get addicted to cheap gas and oil imports from unreliable supplier, sending trillion Euros to Putin war chest and destroying own coal and nuclear energy industry, sending many thousands own citizens to unemployment benefits.

They did not change their behavioral pattern and diversify energy supplier even when Russia started threatening cutting off gas supplies as early as 2005.

They did not change this pattern, when Russia started war in Europe in 2008, invading Georgia and annexing its territories.

They did not change it in 2014, when Russia started another war in Europe, invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea.

They did not change pattern when a passenger plane carrying 298 souls, mostly Dutch, Australians and Malaysians, was shot down by Russian air defenses over Ukraine.

They did not change their pattern when Russian special forces committed assassinations and attempted assassinations with the use of WMD (banned chemical weapons) on European soil (UK, Bulgaria).

They did not change the pattern when Russia started 2nd phase of Russian-Ukrainian war on 24 February 2022.

Today, they still have not changed their patter. In September 2022 Europe continues to buy Russian oil in ever growing volumes, and is desperate to import Russian gas. On average, Europeans sent 800 million Euros a day, every day since February 2022, to Putin’s war chest.

At the same time Western European countries, except UK, refuse to send heavy weapons to Ukraine.

Germany that was architect of the ”Armageddon” is the pinnacle of the hypocrisy. They promised, but never sent Marauder APCs and Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Germany prefers to have these obsolete heavy armor equipment to rust in their storage, than give it to Ukraine.

Get yourself together, Europe. Diversify your energy imports, restore your energy sector. Maybe buy warm socks and pullover sweater for the coming winter. My coldest winter ever was in Melbourne, judging by indoor temperatures, and from my personal experience I can also recommend electric blankets.

Ukraine and its supporters can also help with electric and gas bills. They are willing to pay cash for your rusting outdated tanks and armored personnel carriers. Seriously.
Nusa:
From the rules:

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There are a couple of pet topics that always get out of control on forums, namely, religion, politics, guns, war, conspiracy theories, and the latest Current Thing that's happening or being championed by the public. They are not welcome here. This includes inside signatures and profile bios. This isn't Twitter where you virtue signal to everyone with your flags, emoticons, and hashtags.
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The mods here are lenient, but I suspect this is headed for out of control if it isn't already.
Faringdon:
Ukraine was around  long before Russia  began.
In 1991, Uraine voted 93%/7% to go independent of Russia (82% attendence)
In the Holodomor, Russia's action made millions of Ukrainians starve to death.

Putin  has enough nukes to destroy the world 5x over....but pretends  it feels threatened by Ukraine, or even NATO....the small countries join NATO simply because they fear Russia under the likes of Putin.
Russia is under threat from no country. If it gets threatened...then it has nukes.
This offensive must simply be a "look see", to see what weapons the west has, prior to further Russian operations elsewhere, and to give information for the  "other invasion" , related to this one, that is imminently coming.
The Russians are great people...but they are unfortunately under the claw of Putin and are trapped. I am so sorry for the superb Russian people, who have to cow tow to Putin.

If Putin thinks its so tough in Russia that he has to invade ukraine....then swap countries with us here in UK......we'll all come to Russia and live,  and Russians can have UK....we will swap gladly...and we will live peacefully with the nice Ukrainians. There is not threat to Russia...and the nukes can be let to fly if need ever came....but i doubt anyone will  ever invade Russia.
Russia even has the windfall of the Arctic territory to enhance its already huge wealth even more...so what they are doing with utter  barbarism in Ukraine is anyone's guess.

So ungrateful of Putin to do this....and against UK too effectively....who helped Russia out of the mire in WW2 with great intelligence...even my own Grandfather winding armatures for Russian subs in ww2.

I suspect Putin wants all out nuke war as he cant retire, as he has bumped so many fellow Russians off that someone will come get him.....if he wants full nuclear, we will gladly  get  right into that with him....absolute full nuclear......and i suspect Putin actually wants it anyway.
Just a shame for the majority of the great , wonderful Russian People, and of course, us.
TimFox:
Do you have access to a public library?  There are many serious history books about Russia, Ukraine, and the Soviet Union.
Examples:
A Bevoir:  "Russia, Revolution and Civil War 1917-1921", Weidenfel & Nicolson 2022   About the revolution and the civil war that followed, where Ukraine was a center for the "Whites", vs. the "Reds".
D Lieven:  "Towards the Flame.  Empire, War, and the End of Tsarist Russia", Allen Lane 2015.
My favorite:  "The Russian Primary Chronicle, Laurentian Text", translated S H Cross and O P Sherbowitz-Wetzor, The Medieval Academy of America 1953 (reprinted 1973).  It is an old chronicle, covering approximately AD 852 to 1120, where the manuscript translated here dates to AD 1377.  I like it because it includes the tradition that in approximately AD 860 the locals appealed to the Varangian Russes (Scandinavians) saying "Our land is great and rich, but there is no order in it.  Come to rule and reign over us."  This led to the reign of Rurik in Novgorod, the founder of the dynasty in "Kievan Rus" that included Ivan the Terrible and lasted through Feodor I (died 1598).  After a 15-year "Time of Troubles", the Romanov dynasty took over the Tsardom, and ruled until the Bolsheviks.  Russian and Ukrainian historians differ on a lot of details of this ancient history, which included both geographical regions.
tautech:

--- Quote from: vad on September 11, 2022, 10:20:18 pm ---My view on the “Gas Armageddon” in Europe. Europeans made this Armageddon possible.

For decades Europe’s leaders put blind eye on Putin’s regime. Many got bribed by Russia (Chancellor Schröder, for example).

They supplied military technology and equipment to Russia: thermal vision cameras (Thales, France), advanced microelectronics and gyros found in Russian cruise and ballistic missiles. They almost sold two helicopter carriers to Russia (France).

They let their countries get addicted to cheap gas and oil imports from unreliable supplier, sending trillion Euros to Putin war chest and destroying own coal and nuclear energy industry, sending many thousands own citizens to unemployment benefits.

They did not change their behavioral pattern and diversify energy supplier even when Russia started threatening cutting off gas supplies as early as 2005.

They did not change this pattern, when Russia started war in Europe in 2008, invading Georgia and annexing its territories.

They did not change it in 2014, when Russia started another war in Europe, invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea.

They did not change pattern when a passenger plane carrying 298 souls, mostly Dutch, Australians and Malaysians, was shot down by Russian air defenses over Ukraine.

They did not change their pattern when Russian special forces committed assassinations and attempted assassinations with the use of WMD (banned chemical weapons) on European soil (UK, Bulgaria).

They did not change the pattern when Russia started 2nd phase of Russian-Ukrainian war on 24 February 2022.

Today, they still have not changed their patter. In September 2022 Europe continues to buy Russian oil in ever growing volumes, and is desperate to import Russian gas. On average, Europeans sent 800 million Euros a day, every day since February 2022, to Putin’s war chest.

At the same time Western European countries, except UK, refuse to send heavy weapons to Ukraine.

Germany that was architect of the ”Armageddon” is the pinnacle of the hypocrisy. They promised, but never sent Marauder APCs and Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Germany prefers to have these obsolete heavy armor equipment to rust in their storage, than give it to Ukraine.

Get yourself together, Europe. Diversify your energy imports, restore your energy sector. Maybe buy warm socks and pullover sweater for the coming winter. My coldest winter ever was in Melbourne, judging by indoor temperatures, and from my personal experience I can also recommend electric blankets.

Ukraine and its supporters can also help with electric and gas bills. They are willing to pay cash for your rusting outdated tanks and armored personnel carriers. Seriously.

--- End quote ---
Yes when all listed out like that it's very difficult to feel sympathy for anyone in Europe but the Ukrainians.

I do wonder whom has been screaming warnings for the last decade of 2 just to be ignored by the children running that part of the world now.
However long overdue is the value of wool to lift and substantially it might this winter too !
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