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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
Marco:
EU is failing, they should have a rationing plan in place for the EU as a whole. Maybe an EU wide subsidy for residential users for the first X m3 of gas or kwh of electricity during winter, since non industrial users are hard to ration.
tom66:
The UK approach is stupid - all bills will be capped at an annual average of £2500 per year (okay, fair enough) for the 'average household' (12MWh/year gas, 2.9MWh/year electricity) which is "fine" in principle but that subsidy could apply all the way up to 100's MWh/year consumption, there is no cap on how much the government will pay per user.
It seems absolute insanity that we're essentially paying to heat people's swimming pools. It should be something like a total of 16MWh electricity and gas is subsidised (just slightly over the average) and then you pay market rates for the fuels. It should be the sum of the two, because some places only have electric resistive heating, so they will have nearly no gas usage (maybe hot water/cooking but <1MWh/year) and assessing per user will be difficult.
BravoV:
--- Quote from: Marco on September 12, 2022, 08:30:16 am ---EU is failing, they should have a rationing plan in place for the EU as a whole. Maybe an EU wide subsidy for residential users for the first X m3 of gas or kwh of electricity during winter, since non industrial users are hard to ration.
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The only way to save & keep the current regime from falling in short term is to keep printing more money in already very weakened Euro, and keeps throwing/spreading subsidies like crazy, to keep people out from the street from protesting the leaders, hopefully. :scared:
Forester:
--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 09, 2022, 07:20:49 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2022, 12:36:59 am ---@Vovk_Z are you on a mission here?
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I just can't stand to hear russian propaganda speeches spreading.
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So you started your propaganda (part of your messages is direct propaganda, with which you mislead people who are far from the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine), taking advantage of the fact that there are no opponents here? I will say right away that I don’t give a damn about Russia and Ukraine.
As for the question of the topic, if you want to save money, then refer to the experience of the Russian north. It is cold there, but the houses are warm, despite the lack of advanced European technologies.
Marco:
--- Quote from: BravoV on September 12, 2022, 12:21:28 pm ---The only way to save & keep the current regime from falling in short term
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Other than becoming vassals to Russia and just handing them the Baltics to annex outright, regime change has very little point. The situation sucks and we just have to make the best of it.
The way to make the best of it would be to support vulnerable ordinary citizens EU wide, with EU funds.
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