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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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iMo:
It is a good move, imho, the EU decided to eliminate the dependency on Russian energy (gas, oil, nuclear), which dependency, btw. has been criticized for at least 2 decades by many politicians, but EU was lazy and childish naive in that regard. Also it is clear that the free market with energies in EU must be regulated during this transition period, so hopefully EU does the necessary steps now. Also Germany and other big players should resume all their nuclear power-plants during that transition period (let say for next 10y), also the coal should come again into the game during that period. The naive green EU should wait for a while.. That transition costs us and it will cost us even more in EU, but at least the next generation will be happy that we finally undertook this painful step..
tom66:
The gas price has now fallen below the post-war spike, after Germany announced NS2 would not be activated:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: Marco on September 12, 2022, 08:30:16 am ---EU is failing, they should have a rationing plan in place for the EU as a whole. Maybe an EU wide subsidy for residential users for the first X m3 of gas or kwh of electricity during winter, since non industrial users are hard to ration.

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Yes, there is literally chaos on the streets, and people are eating each other, because they have to spend an extra 100 EUR a month or so. Better stock up on canned beans, because it's all crashing down and then maybe I get to live 2 extra weeks. Really terrible, I don't know how  we will survive. Maybe people can give up the third cars in their family, and set the thermostat 1 degree lower, and put on a jumper during the winter. And buy every other new iphone, not every single one. I hope they will make support groups for us. Meanwhile everyone with the roof is talking about solar panels. What has the world come to, we have to pollute our pristine roofs with this pest.
Better move to the east. I hear they don't have an issue with gas, but that the local council is not keeping the river clean enough to wash clothes in. And I'm not making this up.
iMo:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on September 13, 2022, 09:46:11 am ---..
Better move to the east. I hear they don't have an issue with gas, but that the local council is not keeping the river clean enough to wash clothes in. And I'm not making this up.

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Do you mean rivers in Siberia? Those are generally pretty clean.. :D
wraper:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on September 13, 2022, 09:46:11 am ---
--- Quote from: Marco on September 12, 2022, 08:30:16 am ---EU is failing, they should have a rationing plan in place for the EU as a whole. Maybe an EU wide subsidy for residential users for the first X m3 of gas or kwh of electricity during winter, since non industrial users are hard to ration.

--- End quote ---
Yes, there is literally chaos on the streets, and people are eating each other, because they have to spend an extra 100 EUR a month or so. Better stock up on canned beans, because it's all crashing down and then maybe I get to live 2 extra weeks. Really terrible, I don't know how  we will survive. Maybe people can give up the third cars in their family, and set the thermostat 1 degree lower, and put on a jumper during the winter. And buy every other new iphone, not every single one. I hope they will make support groups for us. Meanwhile everyone with the roof is talking about solar panels. What has the world come to, we have to pollute our pristine roofs with this pest.
Better move to the east. I hear they don't have an issue with gas, but that the local council is not keeping the river clean enough to wash clothes in. And I'm not making this up.

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I would not call it extra EUR 100. Just food price increase per average person is more than that. Not considering energy, fuel and everything else.
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