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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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SiliconWizard:
This thread is getting largely off-topic already I guess. I'm surprised that it's not locked yet. I admire Dave's sense of moderation here for letting this discussion happen freely.

With that said, I think some people here might want to pause and take a look at the whole situation with a bit of distance to try and understand what's really going on and what is at stake. Probably they should also listen to what was said at the recent Eastern Economic Forum held earlier this month. Or you can just ignore it and keep going with your impressions. Your pick.
KE5FX:
My impression is that there are two sides, one deliberately attacking unarmed civilians and civil infrastructure, and the other not. 

But we see through a glass darkly, and there's a "Fox" or "CNN" station bug burned into the phosphor, so...  :-//
nctnico:

--- Quote from: KE5FX on September 16, 2022, 07:38:54 pm ---My impression is that there are two sides, one deliberately attacking unarmed civilians and civil infrastructure, and the other not. 

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That is one dimension of the situation. The other is that Russia and China seem to want the strengthen their influence on the world's economy and thus have more say in how the world is being run. If you think in terms of east versus west I don't think either side owns the absolute 'truth'. Still it is utterly foolish that peope even want to pursue this east versus west situation. 'Enemy at the gate' is right out of Machiavelli's 'Il Principe' a.k.a. the succesful dictator's handbook. We as 'the people' should not accept our leaders to try and fool us by such a trick.
Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 16, 2022, 06:28:13 pm --- Ukraine says Europe should stop buying Russian gas while continuing pumping it through their own territory, but Russia supplying gas to an enemy country it is at war.
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Russian gas is vital to Europe (yet). So Ukraine will be the trusted transmitter of that hell gas until Europe stops buying it itself.
tom66:

--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 16, 2022, 09:26:27 pm ---Russian gas is vital to Europe (yet). So Ukraine will be the trusted transmitter of that hell gas until Europe stops buying it itself.

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Also, Ukraine gets paid by Gazprom some transmission fees, which surely help the economy and war effort.
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