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"Gas Armageddon": Energy/electricity prices in EU/UK (and how to deal with them)
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vad:

--- Quote from: IconicPCB on September 16, 2022, 10:50:55 pm ---Note how only Russians are refferenced .. and may I point out... Mr Khrushchev was Ukrainian who ceded the now contested Crimean peninsula to Ukraine.

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He did not. Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (Soviet parliament) did.
IconicPCB:
Whilst official documentation points to  the Presidium, a more probable explanation  may be found

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

implicating Khrushchev to his gills.
BravoV:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 16, 2022, 06:28:13 pm ---Russia is not even all in into a full-fledged war with Ukraine at this moment. Only a relatively small part of total army is deployed there. No conscript soldiers (Russia has a large reserve of that if needed), only professional military who work on contract. The only conscript soldiers are from DPR/LPR (separatist regions of Ukraine).
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... and also the musician (Группа Вагнера)


--- Quote from: wraper on September 16, 2022, 06:28:13 pm ---This is some really weird war FWIW. Ukraine says Europe should stop buying Russian gas while continuing pumping it through their own territory, but Russia supplying gas to an enemy country it is at war. Do not recall something like that in history.
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Currently, when it comes to gas in EU, all the noise is just distractions to their people, meanwhile EU governments are ...

IconicPCB:
IBM allegedly supplying the calculating machines to Hitlers war effort?
BravoV:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on September 16, 2022, 06:28:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on September 16, 2022, 06:21:00 pm ---Ukraine says Europe should stop buying Russian gas while continuing pumping it through their own territory.

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Oh, this one's simple: Europe (esp. Germany) wants to buy Russian gas, but Europe supports Ukraine, so Ukraine's interest is to let the gas flow to their supporter. Basically Europe supports both Ukraine and Russia (through the gas payments, especially artificially inflated gas price).

Getting the gas through is everybody's shared interest so it's no surprise it happens. Even though everyone feels bad doing that.

But it now seems this might be slowly changing with the "we don't want to sell after all, no wait we want, no wait..." & "we don't want to buy, no wait, we want to buy, no wait we don't" game. Let's see what happens.

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Apart from supporting Ukraine & Russia, what you do not realize is also supporting the kleptocrats in Brussels, this moment is the golden opportunity to do that as the Europeans are convinced to be milked with the excuse of punishing Russia.  :-DD

The same gas can be obtained far more cheaper (meaning no cut or corruption) thru Nord Stream 2, yes, its weak & vulnerable times for EU when it comes on depending too much on Russia's energy, and this problem needs time to fix.

The stupid question is why the EU elites do it in the most painful and expensive way, instead of cheap one, its still the same evil Russia gas they're buying.  :-//

You do not need to be a genius to know there are a bunch elite people (EU kleptocrats) are laughing their way to the bank.  :-DD  >:D
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