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| BravoV:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on September 17, 2022, 02:01:09 am ---Perhaps a simple solution would be to lower energy rates for households that get limiters installed on their heating systems? --- End quote --- Meanwhile in CNN, Breaking news !!! North Korea is starting to implement heat limiter at every homes, the evil authoritarian government is suppressing the people's right & freedom even to heat a bit more, the freedom over just few degrees warmer of temperature in their home is totally obliterated, can you imagine what ever freedom left for them, what an evil system. :-- :-- :-- Just remember ... don't you dare to apply the same narrative for "exceptionalism" Western world, remember that, or ELSE !!! :-DD |
| tautech:
While this thread has drifted far OffT but yet still OnT as the content has been largely about cause and effect and the reverse we should show our appreciation to the OP for starting a great discussion where we have mostly seen eye to eye despite the different challenges that await us in the next few months. Thanks Tom for starting this. :-+ |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on September 17, 2022, 02:01:09 am ---Perhaps a simple solution would be to lower energy rates for households that get limiters installed on their heating systems? --- End quote --- Similar things already exist, but the unwashed masses turn it around and make out like its unfair (the poster above this being an example). Already came up in this thread... with the same poster adding misleading drama around it: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/gas-armageddon-energyelectricity-prices-in-euuk-(and-how-to-deal-with-them)/msg4396097/#msg4396097 Water is considered an essential resource for residents, but its supply pricing is treated quite differently to the "equally" essential electricity/gas/heating. Here in Australia the first essential 400-500 litres per day (averaged over the billing period) is charged at a lower rate, then usage beyond that is at a higher rate (often much much higher). Gas and electricity? the reverse! most (all?) tiered plans make the unit cost cheaper the more you use. |
| BravoV:
--- Quote from: Someone on September 17, 2022, 04:41:48 am --- --- Quote from: NiHaoMike on September 17, 2022, 02:01:09 am ---Perhaps a simple solution would be to lower energy rates for households that get limiters installed on their heating systems? --- End quote --- Similar things already exist, but the unwashed masses turn it around and make out like its unfair (the poster above this being an example). Already came up in this thread... with the same poster adding misleading drama around it: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/gas-armageddon-energyelectricity-prices-in-euuk-(and-how-to-deal-with-them)/msg4396097/#msg4396097 Water is considered an essential resource for residents, but its supply pricing is treated quite differently to the "equally" essential electricity/gas/heating. Here in Australia the first essential 400-500 litres per day (averaged over the billing period) is charged at a lower rate, then usage beyond that is at a higher rate (often much much higher). Gas and electricity? the reverse! most (all?) tiered plans make the unit cost cheaper the more you use. --- End quote --- Read here in Swiss -> https://switzerlandtimes.ch/politics/heat-sinners-face-jail/ |
| Forester:
Russia wants Ukraine and other countries bordering on it to be under its influence. It is as natural as China influences the countries bordering it. Or the US to Mexico and Latin America. Every strong neighbor influences the weak one. In Europe, too, there is an influence of strong countries on weak ones. And all the strong countries are fighting among themselves for influence over the weak, if they are of any interest. Ukraine was not lucky that Russia and the West wanted to influence it. The fact that Russia is against the influence of the West in Ukraine is as natural as if the United States were against the influence of Russia on Mexico. My opinion may seem wrong to someone here, since the overwhelming majority of people here are pro-Western. But there are people in the world who think otherwise. And they also believe their point of view is correct. The Ukrainian colleague above called Ukraine a reliable gas supplier. I do not want to agree with this, because I remember what happened about 15 years ago. Then Ukraine was stealing gas going to Europe. Now many do not remember this, because Europe has not received problems because of this. But it was. |
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