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| langwadt:
--- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2022, 09:06:30 pm --- --- Quote from: vad on September 17, 2022, 08:51:14 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 17, 2022, 06:19:07 pm ---Either way, it is going to be more productive on focussing on how to resolve the situation and keep it stable in the future. For that to happen Russia has to get (or kicked) out of Ukraine first. After that everyone can calm down. --- End quote --- Putin will loose his grip on power when Russian military is defeated in Ukraine. The fastest way to do it - give Ukraine weapons it needs. --- End quote --- Or it happens in exactly opposite way, ensures prolonged stalemate war and maximizes casualties. Sure it will weaken Russia a lot. However the price of humans lives in Ukraine would be devastating. --- End quote --- what's the alternative, let Putin have Ukraine and hope he doesn't decide to "denazify" more neighboring countries? |
| IconicPCB:
Implement the Minsk agreement. France and Germany need to face up to their responsibility as guarantors of the agreement. As is Ukrainian leadership past and present has admitted to using the negotiation to delay resolution and to prepare for war not for peace. In other words Ukraine negotiated in bad faith never intending to adhere to the agreement. In the meantime Donbas civilians kept being slaughtered for seven, eight years. And our tax dollar is being used to support these activities. |
| daqq:
--- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2022, 09:06:30 pm ---Or it happens in exactly opposite way, ensures prolonged stalemate war and maximizes casualties. Sure it will weaken Russia a lot. However the price of humans lives in Ukraine would be devastating. --- End quote --- I'm sure that Russia would stop at Ukraine, and it would be to the benefit of the locals if Russia took over. I mean, appeasement of a sort always worked so far, right? Okay, the USSR screwed up historically several times in that area, among other things creating a system which managed to screw up massively enough to create a massive famine that took millions of lives on one of the most fertile lands in the world, purges, the whole delights of communism complete with a secret police thing... but I'm sure that was a fluke(s), and it's frankly a wonder that the Ukrainians aren't greeting the effective successors to the USSR with open arms! (sarcasm) At the end of the day I'd say that it's up to the Ukrainians - the option for them to give up was always on the table. It seems clear to me that they keep on fighting despite the horrors inflicted upon them by Russia. As far as I'm concerned, that's heroism. And, just saying, applying a similar mindset (don't support the defending side to "minimize loss of life") during WW2 could have shortened the war considerably, if with a slightly different result. |
| KE5FX:
--- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2022, 09:06:30 pm ---Or it happens in exactly opposite way, ensures prolonged stalemate war and maximizes casualties. Sure it will weaken Russia a lot. However the price of humans lives in Ukraine would be devastating. --- End quote --- Russia can stop the bloodshed anytime they want, simply by leaving. Ukraine can stop the bloodshed anytime they want, simply by surrendering. Sounds like you favor the second outcome, if I'm not mistaken? That seems a bit harsh. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: KE5FX on September 17, 2022, 09:53:51 pm --- --- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2022, 09:06:30 pm ---Or it happens in exactly opposite way, ensures prolonged stalemate war and maximizes casualties. Sure it will weaken Russia a lot. However the price of humans lives in Ukraine would be devastating. --- End quote --- Russia can stop the bloodshed anytime they want, simply by leaving. Ukraine can stop the bloodshed anytime they want, simply by surrendering. Sounds like you favor the second outcome, if I'm not mistaken? That seems a bit harsh. --- End quote --- Spineless would be my take on it and they've proved to the whole world spineless they certainly are not. Other parts of EU I'm not so sure. :-// |
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