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vad:
Better yet, grant Ukraine NATO membership now. The war will be over in 24 hours, with Putin’s retreat.
langwadt:

--- Quote from: vad on September 17, 2022, 10:29:54 pm ---Better yet, grant Ukraine NATO membership now. The war will be over in 24 hours, with Putin’s retreat.

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can't join NATO while in a conflict and Ukraine is no where near fulfilling the requirements for NATO membership
Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: IconicPCB on September 17, 2022, 10:51:53 am ---and everybody ignores alleged deaths of some 15000 Ukrainian citizens in Donbas slaughtered by the Ukrainian government in the past seven to eight years way before Russia went into U sector and  kraine.
These people were murdered by the followers of Bandera often times as members of the Right Sector and Azov brigades with the blessing of Kiev government.

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So, those '15000' dead citizens were 'protected from the Right Sector and Azov brigades' in Donbas by russia? Ok, if they die 'protected' then we all can guess how many Ukrainian citizens were killed by 'the Right Sector and Azov brigades' on the 'unprotected' (unoccupied) territory 'with the blessing of Kiev government'. It was about 90-95% of a territory unoccupied by russia. So, it must be at least 10x15000 killed or even an order or two more, eh? But not, there were about 0 (ZERO) citizens 'murdered' on a Ukraine government-controlled territory by 'the Right Sector and Azov brigades' (which is not surprising).
That is why we may make a conclusion about who is an aggressor and from which side aggression went from.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: vad on September 17, 2022, 10:28:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on September 17, 2022, 10:21:59 pm ---or pull the west into the conflict

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Genius! Assuming you live in NATO country, are you personally going to defend Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, when Putin is done with Ukraine and gets his hands on 20 million conscripts?

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The army is getting rekt by 16 Himars. The west has 500, and no better targets.
More Javelin has been sent to Ukraine, than the number of tanks russia has, and the system has 93% successful kill ratio.
Meanwhile they are conscripting convicted felons, sending it to the front in 60 year old tanks.
The reality of the situation is that we have a rocket for everything they have, ten times over, at any distance.
Vovk_Z:

--- Quote from: vad on September 17, 2022, 10:29:54 pm ---Better yet, grant Ukraine NATO membership now. The war will be over in 24 hours, with Putin’s retreat.

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As a Ukrainian, I would want it, but I understand that it doesn't work in such a way for an ongoing conflict. So, we have to end it ourselves. We just need some help with weaponry etc.

BTW, close to the topic: Ukraine sells a lot of electricity to the EU now. It was a long process before, and the Ukrainian grid was connected to the EU right at beginning of this war. We sell electricity to Romania and Slovakia now.
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