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| vad:
--- Quote from: IconicPCB on September 18, 2022, 01:08:47 am ---It will be impossible to unwind their independence now. --- End quote --- Easy peasy to unwind. The process is called goodwill gesture: https://youtu.be/uQgQVzJ_rR4 :) |
| vad:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on September 18, 2022, 01:24:20 am --- --- Quote --- it is the West, and in particular NATO, who is the Russian’s enemy, not Ukraine. --- End quote --- That sounds familiar,o yea americas excuse for going into Vietnam wasnt to fight the Vietnamese,it was to stop the spread of communism in south asia. And then a few years later got really arsey when one of its neighbors wanted a few nukes. --- End quote --- Well, learn Russian, and then read and listen to Russian media. With technology from companies like Google, you may be able to skip the former… |
| IconicPCB:
--- Quote from: vad on September 18, 2022, 01:43:48 am --- --- Quote from: IconicPCB on September 18, 2022, 01:08:47 am ---It will be impossible to unwind their independence now. --- End quote --- Easy peasy to unwind. The process is called goodwill gesture: https://youtu.be/uQgQVzJ_rR4 :) --- End quote --- Except democracy beats Your wishful thinking. Russia entered Ukraine after eight years of negotiations and 15000 civilians getting slaughtered by right wing extremists with Ukrainian government's blessing. Now that Donbas republics are established we can say the bread is broken, the loaf will never be whole in one piece. Ukraine lost all credibility by rejecting a peaceful solution ( NORMANDY FORMAT MINSK AGREEMENT) which guaranteed Donbas republics would remain within Ukraine. This decision is now resulting in voices asserting modern Ukraine borders are unnatural such that : "... The former Romanian diplomat made the controversial remark earlier on Saturday at the Alba Transylvania book fair, where he presented his new book ‘The Fate of Democracy’ and suggested that leading world powers should come together and agree on a new “security structure” in Europe and worldwide. We are in a very special situation here, and I take this with all responsibility, Ukraine exists in unnatural borders. It should cede Transcarpathia to Hungary, Galicia to Poland, Bukovina to Romania, Donbass and Crimea to Russia. These are the territories of other countries,” he said, listing the regions that were incorporated into then-Soviet Ukraine by the Communists, but which he thinks should be relinquished..." One more thing to consider...ask Yourself what is happening with Ukrainian refugees in Poland? How well are they being integrated into polish society and what does that mean for Polish claims on Ukrainian borders? |
| Forester:
--- Quote from: Vovk_Z on September 17, 2022, 10:25:43 pm --- --- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2022, 03:16:16 pm --- and massacre in Odessa --- End quote --- That wasn't a 'massacre'. That was a tragedy fire caused by russian terrorist-separatist forces. They thought that Odessa is 'a Russian city' because it is 100% russian speaking. So russians wanted to 'protect' it by occupation (as usual). You want to present to us that tragic accident as a system. But not. There wasn't anything similar pre- and after that. --- End quote --- Do not lie. There are many videos where Molotov cocktail bottles are thrown at the house, and the police stand by and do nothing. Or is the police of Ukraine also pro-Russian terrorist-separatist? There, some citizens of Ukraine burned others because of their political views, but the authorities did nothing. The West, which patronizes Ukraine, pretended that nothing had happened. If the dead threatened Ukraine, then why weren't they arrested earlier? |
| IconicPCB:
I am tired of this blatant whinge and win Ukrainian attitude. It may be time to return to the original topic. Let Vovk and his kind start a topic on their own. It may be time to just ignore their " ALTERNATE FACTS " and get on with our lives in the hope our taxes will not be squandered by our politicians. My ( hopefully ) final response to this subject. |
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