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Damn, I lost an hour and the run didn't finish...
ejeffrey:
--- Quote from: jpanhalt on March 13, 2022, 08:45:03 pm ---As for my point about school children, an easier solution in our Northern states would be to start school an hour later during the Winter. As a parent of 4 in Minnesota, it really is worrisome to drop the kids off when it is pitch dark.
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Child psychologists have been trying for years to get schools to move start times later particularly for teenagers on the basis that it is shown to be better for both their health and their performance in school. This meets a lot of resistance from parents who have jobs and schedules. It's difficult to push back just schools without affecting a bunch of other things. If you are going to change schedules seasonally shifting the clock is probably less inconvenient than a mish mash of shifting schedules from different schools, businesses and other organizations. It's annoying enough when continents can't agree on the time to shift schedules. It would be impractical to implement seasonal schedule changes without daylight savings time.
It's not just kids either. Driving to work before sunrise is bad for adults too.
For health and safety year round standard time would be the choice but there are a lot of businesses that are opposed to that because more hours of daylight in the evening means more business.
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: ejeffrey on March 14, 2022, 03:42:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: jpanhalt on March 13, 2022, 08:45:03 pm ---As for my point about school children, an easier solution in our Northern states would be to start school an hour later during the Winter. As a parent of 4 in Minnesota, it really is worrisome to drop the kids off when it is pitch dark.
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Child psychologists have been trying for years to get schools to move start times later particularly for teenagers on the basis that it is shown to be better for both their health and their performance in school. This meets a lot of resistance from parents who have jobs and schedules. It's difficult to push back just schools without affecting a bunch of other things. If you are going to change schedules seasonally shifting the clock is probably less inconvenient than a mish mash of shifting schedules from different schools, businesses and other organizations. It's annoying enough when continents can't agree on the time to shift schedules. It would be impractical to implement seasonal schedule changes without daylight savings time.
It's not just kids either. Driving to work before sunrise is bad for adults too.
For health and safety year round standard time would be the choice but there are a lot of businesses that are opposed to that because more hours of daylight in the evening means more business.
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When you drill down into who exactly is asking for this, you realize that's the folk who like to stay up late, shit-post and wake up late. Of course they want to apply this to adolescents for convenience.
The problem is they are ignoring the basic tenant of teaching where you teach during the day, apply homework to foster compartmentalization of the concepts. You follow up the learning by recapping the next morning and building from there.
These higher than thou drug and alcohol affected know it alls, who interrupt their own learning with late-night screen time, don't realize how much they are stuffing up the proven study system.
TimFox:
A related problem with Daylight Saving (one s) Time in the US is that too many entities can't be bothered to state their hours of operation correctly.
That is, they say they are open 10 AM to 5 PM EST when they mean EDT.
I'm old enough to remember the chaotic situation before the Uniform Time Act of 1966, when individual States were allowed to choose whether or not to adopt DST, but imposed a uniform pair of dates for those who chose to switch.
Before that, different States and municipalities chose their own dates or participation. To avoid train wrecks, Federal law required that all common carriers (planes, trains, buses, etc.) had to use Standard Time.
I lived in a city that bordered on another State, and the city chose to use the same dates as the neighboring State, despite the rest of my State--what could possibly go wrong?
In 2006, the State of Indiana (where the western edge, in Central Time, used CDT and the bulk of the state used EST), changed to Daylight Time, leaving only Arizona (except, of course, for the Navajo Reservation that covered multiple States, but surrounds the Hopi Reservation that stays with Arizona on MST) and Hawaii as users of year-round Standard Time.
Personally, I advocate abolition of DST. People and businesses are free to set their hours to accord with daylight and schedules. Japan seems to thrive without it.
jancumps:
In essence the same as a period close, month close, new year. Things that happen at different times across the world since many years.
If we haven't managed to solve that predictable riddle in an organisation by now, what is the readiness for unpredictable events?
eugene:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on March 14, 2022, 04:05:40 pm ---When you drill down into who exactly is asking for this, you realize that's the folk who like to stay up late, shit-post and wake up late. Of course they want to apply this to adolescents for convenience.
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Ed, I think it's more about getting out of bed in the dark and waiting for the bus in the dark than getting to sleep in a little extra. I know that being forced to get up and get going before the sun affects my general performance throughout the day.
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