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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1425 on: September 11, 2019, 02:16:59 pm »


This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?

Why wasn't the girl standing on two boxes at the start? Nobody was using the third box, did she lack the initiative to stack them by herself?

Why does the girl end up higher the the others? Isn't this supposed to be about equality? Half the extra wood she received could have been used for the ramp.

Why is the girl not even bothering to watch the game after she was helped up there?

All sorts of things are wrong with that image...
 

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« Reply #1426 on: September 11, 2019, 03:55:12 pm »

This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?
Yeah, who built the ramp?
An engineer.

I'm not too sure about that.  The angle looks rather steep; I question if that handi-capable person has the body strength to even get up that thing.  Plus, no railing and it doesn't look like there is even enough room for the chair to turn around.  All in all, it seems like a very piss-poor design, most likely drawn by someone who has as much an understanding of engineering as they do of economics.
 

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« Reply #1427 on: September 11, 2019, 04:45:09 pm »
Why wasn't the girl standing on two boxes at the start? Nobody was using the third box, did she lack the initiative to stack them by herself?
You are not entitled to more then one box unless someone gives up their right to the box to you  :-DD
 

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« Reply #1428 on: September 11, 2019, 07:48:13 pm »
Why is the girl not even bothering to watch the game after she was helped up there?
Because this drawing is an illustration of the social justice movement.
 

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« Reply #1429 on: September 11, 2019, 07:50:24 pm »
I see that none of the cheeky bastards had paid to get in. They're peeping over the fence  :-DD
 

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« Reply #1430 on: September 11, 2019, 08:50:26 pm »
Considering that the overwhelming majority of those walking into mosques with an assault rifle are motivated by identity politics, ridicule and mockery is a perfectly reasonable and civilised way to highlight the absurdity of those beliefs. Some statements in the last page or two have really gone into the realms of "food rations have been increased from 4 loaves to 2" levels of doublethink.
 

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« Reply #1431 on: September 12, 2019, 12:21:30 am »

It looks like the one on the right is Pepe!

If you think about it, that is the sort of world I'd like to live in.  The loss of free speech is worse than feces on the street.
 

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« Reply #1432 on: September 12, 2019, 01:04:21 am »

This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?
Yeah, who built the ramp?
An engineer.

I'm not too sure about that.  The angle looks rather steep; I question if that handi-capable person has the body strength to even get up that thing.  Plus, no railing and it doesn't look like there is even enough room for the chair to turn around.  All in all, it seems like a very piss-poor design, most likely drawn by someone who has as much an understanding of engineering as they do of economics.
So, not a registered  professional engineer then.
 

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« Reply #1433 on: September 12, 2019, 01:16:15 am »
Why is the girl not even bothering to watch the game after she was helped up there?
Because this drawing is an illustration of the social justice movement.

Because this drawing is an accurate illustration of the social justice movement.

FTFY.
 

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« Reply #1434 on: September 12, 2019, 01:23:44 am »
This guy sometimes makes a lot of sense:



 

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« Reply #1435 on: September 12, 2019, 01:38:09 am »

This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?
Yeah, who built the ramp?
An engineer.

I'm not too sure about that.  The angle looks rather steep; I question if that handi-capable person has the body strength to even get up that thing.  Plus, no railing and it doesn't look like there is even enough room for the chair to turn around.  All in all, it seems like a very piss-poor design, most likely drawn by someone who has as much an understanding of engineering as they do of economics.
So, not a registered  professional engineer then.
Oh my goodness! That is so racist, so sexist, so homophobic, so *ist, so *phobic, and whatever else outrages my self righteous world view.  :scared:
 

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« Reply #1436 on: September 12, 2019, 02:13:02 am »
Gender politics has now infected the very top of EU, too: the EU commission. BBC: The New EU Commission team enshrines gender equality.

Instead of declaring areas of responsibility, they have declared new-speak imaginative goals only -- so that nobody has to take responsibility of hard or bad decisions: Only the power and none of the responsibility, please.

This lack of organizational structure was the definite trigger that burned me out. When nobody has to take responsibility, the least-liked person is marked for culpability, even if they had zero effect on the decisions made. That kind of an organization is an abomination, and anyone recommending such should be jailed!

Now, being just a burned-out husk of a man, I am definitely angry and disappointed at people who promulgate such harmful and inefficient organizational structures, especially at such a high political level.
 

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« Reply #1437 on: September 12, 2019, 06:10:51 am »
I don't see much about gender politics in your article other than 13 women including one dealing with "equality" :-//
As for Brussels failing to get anything done, I would love to see it because they have done nothing of value in over 10 years. >:D
Ideal government is the US: unable to push anything and just sitting there blaming each other, leaving people alone for once :D
 

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« Reply #1438 on: September 12, 2019, 06:14:35 am »
Now, being just a burned-out husk of a man, I am definitely angry and disappointed at people who promulgate such harmful and inefficient organizational structures, especially at such a high political level.
If it was not this, it would be something else to be worried about. And the "everything was better back in the days"-mentality is actually keeps people from being constructive, giving everybody else an advantage. With these topics, or politics in general, it is all about representation, drama, crisis, what the public opinion is, so to speak. Guess which people thrive in such environments.

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« Reply #1439 on: September 12, 2019, 06:36:04 am »
Considering that the overwhelming majority of those walking into mosques with an assault rifle are motivated by identity politics, ridicule and mockery is a perfectly reasonable and civilised way to highlight the absurdity of those beliefs.
Postidentitarians are just another identity, exhibiting all the same herd behaviors of all the others :)
Don't for once assume that you have "solved" identity politics by creating some new identity detached from physical features.
Some of the bloodiest wars were fought by "diverse" combatants over entirely fictional identities.

At the same time, we can indeed laugh at failures in identity politics such as men vs women ::) or the idol of the poster you responded to, who famously lost everything and blew his brains out.
 

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« Reply #1440 on: September 12, 2019, 06:40:46 am »
I don't see much about gender politics
I am specifically referring to how they are assigned hopes, instead of areas of responsibility.  Hierarchical organization is considered evil in gender politics, and make no mistake, this is where this organizational non-structure is stemming from.  (The other option is from utter lack of organizational skill, but considering the people involved, I just don't see that.)

Ideal government is the US: unable to push anything and just sitting there blaming each other, leaving people alone for once :D
Their constitution works, because it wasn't designed to bring about an utopia, but to stop shortsighted and greedy people from twisting the system too much.

It is sheer brilliance, though:  if you stop the stupid ones from crapping the system, having even mediocre and an occasional idiot as leader, you'll still do well, overall.

If it was not this, it would be something else to be worried about.
What? The amount of worrying is a constant?

No, it is specifically the rejection of a hierarchy in an organization that cannot work without a clear hierarchy.  Power without responsibility inevitably leads to mismanagement and exploitation of position for personal gain; just look at history, anywhere in the world.  A politician without responsibility is a goat watching over a patch of cabbages; and remember, the EUcommission is not voted in, so these people are NOT beholden to any voters.  This is as bad as having a hereditary nobility form the commission.

How the hell people are not seeing this, is way beyond me.  (Again, when Elop was hired as Nokias CEO in 2010, I saw it immediately that he'd kill their Linux effort, and then the entire company, and eventually have Microsoft buy it for pennies on the dollar; and I was called a smelly long-haired Linux conspiracy theorist for that.  Yet, that was exactly what happened.  Most analysts still claim, however, that that turn of events was a "surprise".)
Perhaps it is everyone else who are thinking with their emotions, rather than looking at the situation objectively?
 

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« Reply #1441 on: September 12, 2019, 07:39:47 am »
Do you want them to hope for gender equality and educate us about the horrible evils of patriarchy like tooki or do you want them to be responsible for diversity and implement mandatory quotas? :D

I know that money will be wasted to hire their "gender theory" buddies and make "studies" and "proposals". I treat it as an investment in teaching Westerners that central planning doesn't work; sadly, they clearly haven't learned that lesson yet :)

It seems that our friends in UK and France are getting it at last >:D
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« Reply #1442 on: September 12, 2019, 11:41:19 am »
What? The amount of worrying is a constant?
It basically is. Have you never noticed how when most people have nothing of importance to worry about, they focus just as much worry on trivia? What we are living through now is the natural consequence of well to do people having an excessively easy, undriven, life.
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« Reply #1443 on: September 12, 2019, 06:21:32 pm »
Well, going from a drunkard who enjoys telling elected politicians that he isn't beholden to anyone (and who has so much real power the media doesn't dare describe as an alcoholic, even though it is clear from his behaviour to anyone ever seen one), to an entire team who do not even bother telling people they "lead" what their responsibilities are, at the very top of power in the EU, is alarming to me. :horse:

However, it is true that it is unlikely to derail anything major; it's just an incremental change towards utter inefficiency and waste.  Life goes on.
 

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« Reply #1444 on: September 12, 2019, 07:44:53 pm »
It is sheer brilliance, though:  if you stop the stupid ones from crapping the system, having even mediocre and an occasional idiot as leader, you'll still do well, overall.
That is an integral part of any working community, up to whole societies. Even in socialism, even within anarchists. No one wants resources of their whole group to go down the toilet. Unless your base does really "grow for free" (somewhat like in agriculture, renewables), that is.

I think only in societies that rely on/are based on exploitation no one cares about it, because the base "grows for free", which explains why such societies usually implode after some time, their leaders are horribly underskilled when it comes to problems that can not be solved by more exploitation and suddenly would need to get their calculations straight with physics.

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What? The amount of worrying is a constant?
For people that worry all the time: yes! :D There is only 24h a day and 7 days a week :D

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This is as bad as having a hereditary nobility form the commission. [...] Perhaps it is everyone else who are thinking with their emotions, rather than looking at the situation objectively?
I think that is a fear that would not need to exist with a proper level of transparency built into the system. But what you can always build on, should you care, is that there are others like them in line, that would use any bigger mishap of those you are afraid of for their personal gain - and that kind of sets things straight - for me at least. So even greed is kind of self-regulating, as long as the public maintains a set of moral values that is in conflict with that behavior.

What worries me in recent years is that people step out of their echochambers and just declare non-existent, non-proven problems a top priority, sidestepping every effort to do a reality check first and demand actions to be taken or else. Because democracy is a question of majority after all, at least some reliable numbers would be important to know. A smart leader does actually issue studies, reads statistics, which takes time to settle and filters the idiots voices out.

Insofar, these reactionists are not better than the exploitation crowd, they abuse the social credit of the freedom of speech until their movement implodes on hard facts.
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« Reply #1445 on: September 12, 2019, 08:44:32 pm »
So even greed is kind of self-regulating, as long as the public maintains a set of moral values that is in conflict with that behavior.
Isn't what I described one kind of loss of those morals?  That those with the most power do not even bother to declare their responsibilities, only their dreams?  :horse:

Insofar, these reactionists are not better than the exploitation crowd, they abuse the social credit of the freedom of speech until their movement implodes on hard facts.
Well, they don't implode, just mutate into something else, but yeah.

I worry about the loss of appreciation of rational thought and argument in public affairs, elevating emotions and ideologies to the same level.  And in Finland, the restrictions on free speech, and shifting of already meager police resources from physical crime to hate speech patrols online.  They are already using it to curtail speech in the parliament; quipping about "invasive species" and quoting the bible in a parliament session is worth a police investigation...

This is also why I consider looking at the structure and organization more important than looking at individual politicians.  No human is perfect, and given that much power, they're almost guaranteed to misuse it somewhat. The key is an organization or structure, like a constitution, that ensures that individual politicians or parties cannot subvert the system, and that at least some of their efforts are concentrated on the actual issues at hand.  Thus far, personal responsibility seems to have been the only thing to keep them in check; and whenever a politician has been isolated from feeling any responsibility, you get horrible misuse of power as a result, without exception.  Consider workers unions for example: in theory, they are absolutely good for the societal balance.  In practice, when their leadership gets too much power and not enough push from their membership (which is typically too busy doing their work to care much), the very top becomes a wealth extractor with near-zero consideration for their union members.  Maybe a turkey for everyone for the Christmas to keep them paying their dues.

Social pressure is surprisingly effective on most humans.  Transparency in an organization ensures that this pressure is felt.  Removing areas of responsibility means no-one has to take any responsibility for any specific matter, and the social pressure is diffused to the entire group.  When the group is large enough, say a dozen or larger (I don't know enough sociology to know the actual limit), each member of the group can project the pressure to the rest of the group ("I would have done better, but had to go with the others, so it isn't my fault at all"), and the social pressure loses its effectiveness almost completely.

Simply put, even transparency is powerless when responsibilities are not assigned personally, and are shared by the group.
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1446 on: September 14, 2019, 02:39:02 pm »
 So, all these women that want equal status with men in certain job positions, will they also accept the same retirement age to be eligible for a pension as men?
 
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« Reply #1447 on: September 14, 2019, 04:02:48 pm »
So, all these women that want equal status with men in certain job positions, will they also accept the same retirement age to be eligible for a pension as men?

Given that women still live longer that men on average in developed countries, I can't see a single reason why they would not. If anything, it could be logical that they actually worked longer.
 
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« Reply #1448 on: September 16, 2019, 09:29:22 am »
So, all these women that want equal status with men in certain job positions, will they also accept the same retirement age to be eligible for a pension as men?

Does the retirement age differ between men and women in Australia?  It doesn't differ in Sweden.
 

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« Reply #1449 on: September 16, 2019, 09:42:25 am »
In the UK, the retirement age used to be 60 for women and 65 for men, which was retarded, considering women generally live longer, than men.  :palm:

The plan is to raise the retirement age and make it equal for both men and women.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
 


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