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Offline Howardlong

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1400 on: September 10, 2019, 09:19:00 am »
It's gonna be at least 51%, just to be sure :P

Coincidentally, as a whole, female science enrollments are already at 51.5% according to this video from the BBC, based on figures from the World Economic Forum, timestamp 4:05. The entire 5 minute video as a whole is probably worth a watch, although as usual with such short segments from popular media, it barely touches the surface. They seem to juggle stats, some figures refer to STEM as a whole and some only science as far as I could tell.


 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1401 on: September 10, 2019, 12:14:57 pm »
So Sweden spent decades building up socialism to equalize women and now will spend decades tearing it down to equalize women :horse:
Feminists spent decades building women's sports, and then fighting for the right of men to call themselves women, and now they want them out.
Spent decades fighting Christianity, only to conclude that it actually is "empowering" for women to choose to become slaves to Islam.
Progressives are always chasing their tail and fail to answer one fundamental question: why should I care or pay for any of it.

They really know what they are doing, right?  At every turn they were so sure, and yet still wrong.
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1402 on: September 10, 2019, 10:33:59 pm »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!

 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1403 on: September 10, 2019, 10:44:17 pm »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!


Are you sure this isn’t a piss take? I realise it’s real, like the socialist version is, but is it not meant to be taken with a pinch of salt? Please let it be so???
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1404 on: September 10, 2019, 10:59:00 pm »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!


Are you sure this isn’t a piss take? I realise it’s real, like the socialist version is, but is it not meant to be taken with a pinch of salt? Please let it be so???

It's real, but not sincere. Hasbro is a multi-billion dollar, multi-national company. If it's anything like gillette, some people in the company, either true believers or just cynical opportunists, have convinced enough management to try the woke marketing route. Make something obviously trollish, ie giving in game extra money to female players, then soak up the media controversy.

It works. It's probably a safe move, since they may pick up a few sales from idiots wanting to virtue signal, but won't lose much because who buys monopoly anyways?
 

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« Reply #1405 on: September 10, 2019, 11:05:39 pm »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!

Anybodu know a goad way of cleanixg vomit out of a keybozrd? Would bile help or might it mqke thimgs mwch wrrve?
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1406 on: September 10, 2019, 11:55:38 pm »
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That said, it is likely that on average, there's a slight difference.  That difference is more likely to be multiplied/enhanced by cultural biases. 

Once again, the Scandanavian results say otherwise. The more egalitarian a society becomes (that means when these biases LOWERED), the LESS women participate in STEM, particularly engineering, not MORE. It's the exact opposite of what the "cultural biases" hypothesis predicts.

Egalitarian does not equate to lack of cultural bias.  In fact, cultural bias is amplified in egalitarian Nordic societies, because people have more freedom to do what the culture dictates.  There's less economic pressure on girls to be breadwinners, so they fall back to societal expectations.

There's good argument that indicate women's career progress in STEM is stifled in egalitarian societies.
https://capx.co/what-jordan-peterson-gets-wrong-about-the-nordic-gender-paradox/

I tried to stay out of this tread but when Dave started to propagate myths about Scandinavia i could not resist anymore! :horse:

Nordic Countries are class societies and always been and not egalitarian and Sweden is even more so now then the so called equality years 1960-1995. There are no such things as a Scandinavia result , Nordic countries differ on a cultural basis and experience basis for past 100 years and there are truck loads of biases here despite socialists efforts paint otherwise via their well oiled "equality" propaganda machine. Still women are paid less then men for same job, that's "socialistic gender equality myths" for you. If you prefer listen to gov/thinktanks BS well then you are not much of debunker.

Let me remind the EVVBLOG audience that folks have no idea who Annie Lööf are, this is a party leader who with her conspirators couped over a party whos roots was deep into nazism , Swedish nazis came from this party back in 1930 it was their base just a the base for nazim in Germany came from the Bavarian plains (farmers) and they have newer cleaned up their act and apologized. She turned a conservative party  into an ultra liberal globalist TWO/NWO crap and Lööf biggest inspiration as she mentioned numerous times is Ayn Rand and missuses her for her own wicked goals as she once said that Sweden should the coming years import 30 million emigrants and by so erase whatever Swedish there is! This lady are utterly insane! Not even mentioning the insane achievements of her predecessor also a totalitarian globalist moron who caused taxpayers losing trillions in insane business deals!

My own experience as engineer for decades in this banana country and other countries for that matter i can say there is VERY few women in Swedish engineering despite the socialist stamp on the country which it never was. However you do find lots of women in Banking, Law, any place you dont get "oily hands", now thats a sign of "smartness" just as men like easy money. Egalitarianism is socialistic propaganda construct from the get go just a tool in the socialistic globalist totalitarian toolbox.

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1407 on: September 11, 2019, 12:26:44 am »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!
Are you sure this isn’t a piss take? I realise it’s real, like the socialist version is, but is it not meant to be taken with a pinch of salt? Please let it be so???

They are deadly serious, I'm sure. Every major corporation is "getting woke". And they people advising them know to disable comments to prevent the "toxic masculinity" commentators  ::)
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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1408 on: September 11, 2019, 12:46:21 am »
The thumbs down are jumping up by hundreds every hour, they'll switch off thumbs soon!

And since when did a woman invent WiFi?  :-//

 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1409 on: September 11, 2019, 01:11:15 am »
And since when did a woman invent WiFi?  :-//
They are probably referencing Hedy Lamarr.
 
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« Reply #1410 on: September 11, 2019, 01:29:24 am »
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During World War II, Lamarr learned that radio-controlled torpedoes, an emerging technology in naval war, could easily be jammed and set off course.[42] She thought of creating a frequency-hopping signal that could not be tracked or jammed. She contacted her friend, composer and pianist George Antheil, to help her develop a device for doing that, and he succeeded by synchronizing a miniaturized player-piano mechanism with radio signals.[31] They drafted designs for the frequency-hopping system, which they patented.

According to Wikipedia this is it which wasn't just her(or anything other than an idea someone else implemented). That's a leap to say she invented wifi.
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1411 on: September 11, 2019, 02:05:30 am »
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During World War II, Lamarr learned that radio-controlled torpedoes, an emerging technology in naval war, could easily be jammed and set off course.[42] She thought of creating a frequency-hopping signal that could not be tracked or jammed. She contacted her friend, composer and pianist George Antheil, to help her develop a device for doing that, and he succeeded by synchronizing a miniaturized player-piano mechanism with radio signals.[31] They drafted designs for the frequency-hopping system, which they patented.

According to Wikipedia this is it which wasn't just her(or anything other than an idea someone else implemented). That's a leap to say she invented wifi.
What Lamarr worked on was basically a precursor to CDMA, and was probably the first scheme to splurge the signal across a wide bandwidth. Wi-Fi has used CDMA, but modern Wi-Fi uses ODFM. OFDM goes back a long way, but I don't think its clear who first came up with it. It was described in a comms book I used at university in the early 70s as a way you could approach channel capacity, but a way which would probably never be practical. Now it costs a dollar. Its interesting how times change.  :)
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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1412 on: September 11, 2019, 07:19:19 am »
What Lamarr worked on was basically a precursor to CDMA, and was probably the first scheme to splurge the signal across a wide bandwidth. Wi-Fi has used CDMA, but modern Wi-Fi uses ODFM. OFDM goes back a long way, but I don't think its clear who first came up with it. It was described in a comms book I used at university in the early 70s as a way you could approach channel capacity, but a way which would probably never be practical. Now it costs a dollar. Its interesting how times change.  :)

Just to clarify a bit more:

What Lamarr came up with was FHSS, aka Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum.  Her implementation was for secret communications where a piano roll would select the order in which a set of frequencies would be used to limit the ability of an enemy to jam communications since they wouldn't know the order of transmissions.

CDMA is a form of Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) which isn't the same.   It relies on spreading the signal over a wide channel.

It would probably be more accurate to say she came up with the technology behind Bluetooth since bluetooth is probably the most recognizable use of FHSS today.

 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1413 on: September 11, 2019, 09:05:18 am »
Ms Monopoly!
And the video is getting ratioed to buggery!
Are you sure this isn’t a piss take? I realise it’s real, like the socialist version is, but is it not meant to be taken with a pinch of salt? Please let it be so???

They are deadly serious, I'm sure. Every major corporation is "getting woke". And they people advising them know to disable comments to prevent the "toxic masculinity" commentators  ::)

And if you want to understand the thinking behind that, this 'response' video from 2015 has a very telling statement can be seen at 09:25 to 09:42:



For those who don't want to scroll through the video, here is the transcription:

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"Free speech is the right to educated speech. If you utilize your right to 'freedom of speech' but then are socially or politically apathetic, you don't vote, educate yourself on social issues, if you are not involved in the community, if you are not involved in being a citizen, an educated citizen, you have no right to free speech.
(Emphasis mine)

I'd much prefer to present the original (5 minute) video, but the person who uploaded it later chose to delete it.
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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1414 on: September 11, 2019, 10:58:29 am »


This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?

Yeah, who built the ramp?

(and why is the girl looking off to the side and not raising a fist?)
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1415 on: September 11, 2019, 11:57:43 am »


This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?

Yeah, who built the ramp?

A pink haired blue checkmark disabled non-binary UTS student using wood from the other people not in the picture?  ;D
I just couldn't resist.
 
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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1416 on: September 11, 2019, 12:14:49 pm »
Dave, is this a political thread?
 

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« Reply #1417 on: September 11, 2019, 12:18:14 pm »

This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?

Yeah, who built the ramp?



An engineer.
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1418 on: September 11, 2019, 12:19:31 pm »
Dave, is this a political thread?

Shhh!
 

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« Reply #1419 on: September 11, 2019, 12:24:16 pm »
Dave, is this a political thread?

It has politics in the title.
But it's basically a thread taking the piss out of the encroachment of identity politics into engineering and other related areas, because that's about all you can do these days is just laugh and roll your eyes at it.
 

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« Reply #1420 on: September 11, 2019, 12:30:36 pm »
This picture leaves an important detail and distinction out.  How did you get from the left to the right side?
Yeah, who built the ramp?
An engineer.

I don't know why but that reminds me of a comeback Mrs EEVblog had after I was taking the piss out of geologists (she's a geochemist) - "They sent a geologist to the moon!" she proclaimed proudly.
But engineers built the stuff that took him there, and all the other astronaughts were engineers. I think I won that one.
 

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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1421 on: September 11, 2019, 12:36:44 pm »
"They sent a geologist to the moon!" she proclaimed proudly.
But engineers built the stuff that took him there, and all the other astronaughts were engineers. I think I won that one.

...and there's not much to do there apart from looking at rocks, so...  :-//
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Re: Gender politics has now infected engineering as well.
« Reply #1422 on: September 11, 2019, 12:40:52 pm »
A pink haired blue checkmark disabled non-binary UTS student using wood from the other people not in the picture?  ;D
I just couldn't resist.

How long before the Socialist SJW's turn up and start waling  :-DD
 

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« Reply #1423 on: September 11, 2019, 01:27:04 pm »
But engineers built the stuff that took him there, and all the other astronaughts were engineers. I think I won that one.
But blue checkmarked politicians came up with the idea and hired the engineers for other people's money ::P
 

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« Reply #1424 on: September 11, 2019, 01:52:44 pm »
Dave, is this a political thread?

It has politics in the title.
But it's basically a thread taking the piss out of the encroachment of identity politics into engineering and other related areas, because that's about all you can do these days is just laugh and roll your eyes at it.

So it is a political thread. Thanks, good to know.
 


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