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| asmi:
--- Quote from: Neutrion on April 13, 2023, 04:03:55 pm ---So far you did not provide any technical counterarguments, just the runt against the germans in general. --- End quote --- I did provide a fact - industry is leaving because of energy costs. So a rational government would do something to make those costs go down in order to prevent this outflow, but they are shutting down the cheapest and clean source of power - AND turning on the dirtiest one instead. How can one justify that decision, if not by ideology? It seems quite clear to me that it's against the common sense. |
| shapirus:
--- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:11:43 pm ---I did provide a fact - industry is leaving because of energy costs. --- End quote --- Don't forget the cost of labor and the overall business climate. |
| Neutrion:
--- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:11:43 pm --- --- Quote from: Neutrion on April 13, 2023, 04:03:55 pm ---So far you did not provide any technical counterarguments, just the runt against the germans in general. --- End quote --- I did provide a fact - industry is leaving because of energy costs. So a rational government would do something to make those costs go down in order to prevent this outflow, but they are shutting down the cheapest and clean source of power - AND turning on the dirtiest one instead. How can one justify that decision, if not by ideology? It seems quite clear to me that it's against the common sense. --- End quote --- You are mixing up different things. 1.The current nuclear shutdown is stupid, agreed, especially because not even the current german government knows whether the people support this decision. 2.You hwever were arguing that generally running an energy system on renewable not possible, in the near future. That is what we are arguing with, and that is what you can not support with tech. arguments. If your argument is the prize only and the sort term buisness gains, than Germany should actually start to invest into coal more, because it would be blody cheap. |
| asmi:
--- Quote from: shapirus on April 13, 2023, 05:19:47 pm ---Don't forget the cost of labor and the overall business climate. --- End quote --- But then again - industry is also a big polluter, so if you are into green nonsense, wanting to get rid of it kind of makes sense. Also a fair amount of people will likely follow the industry, so less people - less pollution too. The question is - is that really in the best interest of the people? I understand when unelected bureaucrats like that infamous van der Moron do this crap - since people didn't elect her, she does not have to act in their interests, but when elected officials act like that - AND get away with it - this is truly mind-boggling to me :palm: Are people really that stupid, or that indocrinated? |
| Neutrion:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 13, 2023, 02:38:01 pm --- --- Quote from: tom66 on April 13, 2023, 10:29:46 am --- --- Quote from: vad on April 12, 2023, 11:42:55 pm ---Nuclear power plants operate as baseload plants and as load-following power plants. Renewable sources are intermittent and weather- and time-of-day dependent. They are not a replacement for nuclear power. Shutting down NPPs would either lead to more power generation from coal and natural gas, or result in blackouts. --- End quote --- If only there was some kind of mechanism to store energy. Ah well, I guess that will never ever be invented, and we'll always need base load. --- End quote --- In the NL the plan is to use hydrogen to store energy. Including to serve as a base load for 2 new NPPs --- End quote --- Do you have numbers to this? I mean MW, price, the the power to gas capacity? Because if we are taking the H2 plant as given, it would be much cheaper to build renewable for it with an actual much bigger built in max capacity. And if we are talking about some extreme Dunkelflaute situation, than you could have a gas plant in reserve for those very few days in the year. |
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