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| MT:
Dr. Patrick Moore-- Co-Founder and former President of Greenpeace, Director of the CO2 Coalition, Senior Fellow of The Heartland Institute, and author of "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom" |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: Neutrion on April 13, 2023, 05:23:19 pm --- --- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:11:43 pm --- --- Quote from: Neutrion on April 13, 2023, 04:03:55 pm ---So far you did not provide any technical counterarguments, just the runt against the germans in general. --- End quote --- I did provide a fact - industry is leaving because of energy costs. So a rational government would do something to make those costs go down in order to prevent this outflow, but they are shutting down the cheapest and clean source of power - AND turning on the dirtiest one instead. How can one justify that decision, if not by ideology? It seems quite clear to me that it's against the common sense. --- End quote --- You are mixing up different things. 1.The current nuclear shutdown is stupid, agreed, especially because not even the current german government knows whether the people support this decision. --- End quote --- It's obvious that it's an entirely political decision which has nothing to do with any kind of engineering. The goal is twofold: 1. By creating a drastic energy deficit, *forcing* *at all costs* the switch to cleaner sources, with the idea that if we force it, it will happen. Sure. 2. Complying with some ideology. --- Quote from: Neutrion on April 13, 2023, 05:23:19 pm ---2.You hwever were arguing that generally running an energy system on renewable not possible, in the near future. --- End quote --- I also think it's just not possible in any near future. Just fricking do the maths with any kind of existing tech and what is reasonably possible. You (and people making the same claims) are somehow reversing the burden of the proof by asking people to prove that it's not possible, when basic facts and evidence is all over the place, while claiming something that is backed only by speculation and fantasy at this point. Unless maybe you have a very elastic definition of "near future", of course. |
| Simon:
--- Quote from: MT on April 13, 2023, 07:54:47 pm ---Dr. Patrick Moore-- Co-Founder and former President of Greenpeace, Director of the CO2 Coalition, Senior Fellow of The Heartland Institute, and author of "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom" --- End quote --- Is this the bit where he takes a graph, takes 1% of it out and shows that instead of the whole thing to prove the temperature is going down instead of up? Clever bloke. If I remember rightly he is also the guy that said a weedkiller is so safe he'd drink it, when the interviewer produced a bottle of it he promptly swore and abandoned the interview and I think his weedkiller making client that was paying him a lot? |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: Simon on April 13, 2023, 09:01:26 pm ---Is this the bit where he takes a graph, takes 1% of it out and shows that instead of the whole thing to prove the temperature is going down instead of up? Clever bloke. If I remember rightly he is also the guy that said a weedkiller is so safe he'd drink it, when the interviewer produced a bottle of it he promptly swore and abandoned the interview and I think his weedkiller making client that was paying him a lot? --- End quote --- Mmm yep... "You can drink a whole glass of it" ... "I'd be happy to drink a whole glass of it" "I'm not doing that, I'm not an idiot" Yeah, the guy is pretty discredited. My guess is he realised he could make more money going to the "dark side" than following along with Greenpeace. It is odd, though! |
| Simon:
I don't think that it is only your argument that is simple. You seem to dominate this discussion to the point that I have several reports complaining about you. From the little I have time to read of your output you are just talking nonesense. Maybe back some of it up with facts? --- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:48:00 pm --- My tech agrument is very simple - both solar and wind energy ultimately comes from the nuclear fusion, but it's super-inefficient process because of many transformations energy goes through until it's consumed, so converting fusion energy into electric is much more efficient. --- End quote --- Your point being? the nature of how the sun produces the energy and it's efficiency is rather irrelevant. We don't have to put fuel into the sun last time I checked. Perhaps you can enlighten us? --- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:48:00 pm --- So this is a long term goal, because at some point humanity will require more energy than reaches the Earth, and so that's the only possible source known at this point. --- End quote --- Will we? again where do you get this knowledge from? You know how much energy we will need in the future? do you know how much energy we receive from the sun? --- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 05:48:00 pm --- In the short to mid-term leaving NPPs running not only means having this power available, but also maintaining a cadre of people with nuclear competency. Once NPPs are shut down, these people will either move elsewhere, or will have to change their profession, in both cases competency is lost, and once it's lost, it's going to be very long and expensive to regain. --- End quote --- You seem to be talking about fusion as though it is already here. In case you missed it, we currently use fission, fusion will be here in 30 years, or so they have been telling us for over 30 years I beleive. |
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