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| mikerj:
--- Quote from: Traceless on April 15, 2023, 08:51:32 am ---FWIW I think it is a very good decision to get rid of all NPPs. --- End quote --- Why? Explain your reasoning. --- Quote from: Traceless on April 15, 2023, 08:51:32 am ---Gas should be substituted by hydrogen and the coal plants should be shut down ASAP as well of course and only serve as backups. --- End quote --- Where do you believe this magical hydrogen going to come from? |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 15, 2023, 12:21:08 pm ---But this is under the assumption that spot prices stay constantly low. IMHO this is a very poor assumption to make. Especially when the ROI time is long (>5 years). Once there is a significant number of people having their own storage (OR the utility companies decide to implement storage as this is obviously economically worthwhile), the daytime prices will become lower and the night time prices will rise. I have been paying the same price for electricity (day / night) for a very long time already. The NL grid uses pumped storage in Norway. --- End quote --- With wind power entering the grid, while the idea of expensive day and cheap night may change, it's pretty easy to see how electricity prices could vary at the half hourly level. |
| Bud:
So it is April 15 today. Is Germany dancing and partying ? :popcorn: |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on April 15, 2023, 02:32:38 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on April 15, 2023, 12:21:08 pm ---But this is under the assumption that spot prices stay constantly low. IMHO this is a very poor assumption to make. Especially when the ROI time is long (>5 years). Once there is a significant number of people having their own storage (OR the utility companies decide to implement storage as this is obviously economically worthwhile), the daytime prices will become lower and the night time prices will rise. I have been paying the same price for electricity (day / night) for a very long time already. The NL grid uses pumped storage in Norway. --- End quote --- With wind power entering the grid, while the idea of expensive day and cheap night may change, it's pretty easy to see how electricity prices could vary at the half hourly level. --- End quote --- Did you do any research whether people are willing to have energy contracts based on spot prices and requiring people to live along how the wind blows and the sun shines? From what I see is that very few people are willing to do that and thus prefer flattened, predictable energy prices. Hence, any consumer solution that is based on spot prices will only serve a niche market and not solve the bigger issue with intermittant energy sources like wind and solar. And the whole grid capacity costs for large peak demands comes on top of that. You are thinking way too much in terms of engineering a solution and way too less in terms of what people will accept as a solution. |
| DC1MC:
--- Quote from: Bud on April 15, 2023, 02:46:10 pm ---So it is April 15 today. Is Germany dancing and partying ? :popcorn: --- End quote --- Sure, we've finally reached the world first place of energy costs, finally passing the long time champion Bermuda, is a bit rainy today, but I think the BUGA festivities will go full speed soon to celebrate this event. Cheers, DC1MC |
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