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| tom66:
--- Quote from: vad on April 12, 2023, 11:42:55 pm ---Nuclear power plants operate as baseload plants and as load-following power plants. Renewable sources are intermittent and weather- and time-of-day dependent. They are not a replacement for nuclear power. Shutting down NPPs would either lead to more power generation from coal and natural gas, or result in blackouts. --- End quote --- If only there was some kind of mechanism to store energy. Ah well, I guess that will never ever be invented, and we'll always need base load. |
| Vovk_Z:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 10, 2023, 12:22:49 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on April 10, 2023, 09:55:57 am ---Local news, Sako can't boost ammunition production, TikTok is using all electricity. --- End quote --- Just to those that don't know yet: I prefer funny cat videos over bullets :-DD --- End quote --- It's all funny, but only until you need bullets. :( |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on April 13, 2023, 09:31:20 am ---Open your eyes and extrapolate even in a conservative way, and you will see what I mean; if you are ready to accept being wrong. The amount of actual, successful renewable energy production in Germany surprises everybody, every time. The excuse is always, "it can't keep doing that because energy can't be stored, it will stay marginal". Yet the share continues rising and hasn't been marginal for years, and there are no signs of it slowing down. --- End quote --- This! So true. In the UK, in 2013, the installed wind capacity was around 10GW. Now, in 2023, it is approaching 30GW. On a particularly gusty day we are already looking at all night time load being wind provided, and within another decade it is possible there will be weeks when renewable energy is providing power exclusively. |
| Neutrion:
Here you can check how it works out for Germany with renewables: https://www.agora-energiewende.de/service/agorameter/chart/power_generation/10.04.2023/13.04.2023/today/ Quiet well, and yes 10 years ago we were hearing the same arguments as: But solar is expensive, wind needs government subsidies. Well here we are they are more competitive than the others, just needed some kick in. The only problem was I think, that the power to gas initiatives were running too slow, and that it was not made sure that the nuclear plants were not going to be substituted by coal what sadly happened. If hydrogen production will be ramped up as fas as it hapened with wind and solar, than in ten years not much fossil fuels will be needed if anything at all. BTW in Sweden the first experimantal steel plant running on hydrogen is already built, so hopefully not even the heavy industry will need any fossil fuels, and hopefully non green material imports into the EU will be taxed according to their enviromental footprint. The plan was I suppose to substitute the coal with gas during these years, but the war kicked in the door unfortunately. I hope that at least as much extra investment will flow into the hydrogen production as into the arms race. Or rather much more. Base load can be minimized both with heat pumps, enviroment-dependent tariffs, and the rest can be handled by power to gas plants. In Germany as you can see the base load is around 50GW now and even during bad nights already 20 procent of it is renewable, on better nights almost 50%. Nuclear plants as Kleinstein described are not worth to build to run on 50% duty cycle. Any similar graphs fo the UK anyone? |
| MT:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 13, 2023, 05:20:21 am --- --- Quote from: BravoV on April 13, 2023, 03:16:52 am --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 12, 2023, 11:58:33 pm ---Who really thinks we can have "renewables" at a level that can make us get rid of nuclear ( all the horribly polluting like coal) within 10 years? --- End quote --- According to the Great Goddess Greta Thunberg. >:D --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 12, 2023, 11:58:33 pm ---Seriously? --- End quote --- Why not ? Spoke at the podium of United Nation conferences, UN summits, many mores and even Nobel prize nominated, what could go wrong ? :-// :-DD --- End quote --- Well, I know this very tight "schedule" is all part of the UN's 2030 crap. So we HAVE to absolutely hit this 2030 date, or else... >:D As to solar panels, they are "good" for small-scale use, but not a solution for larger plants IMO. There are much better ways to use solar energy than solar panels if you have enough area. --- End quote --- Greta uber alles in der welt! Greta Thunberg Says Germany Should Keep Its Nuclear Plants Open. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-11/greta-thunberg-says-germany-should-keep-its-nuclear-plants-open?leadSource=uverify wall |
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