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Germany shutting down last nuclear power plants on April 15th
nctnico:
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--- Quote from: vad on April 12, 2023, 11:42:55 pm ---Nuclear power plants operate as baseload plants and as load-following power plants. Renewable sources are intermittent and weather- and time-of-day dependent. They are not a replacement for nuclear power.
Shutting down NPPs would either lead to more power generation from coal and natural gas, or result in blackouts.
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If only there was some kind of mechanism to store energy. Ah well, I guess that will never ever be invented, and we'll always need base load.
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In the NL the plan is to use hydrogen to store energy. Including to serve as a base load for 2 new NPPs
asmi:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on April 13, 2023, 10:25:20 am ---And your claim it's a "complete and utter pipe dream". In reality, it is something which is possibly nearly reachable. Getting rid of all fossils was not in the original claim, just the most polluting coal.
Probably not quite there to get the coal to zero, but it's not "complete and utter pipe dream", but a remotely realistic scenario supported by current data as ambitious but not utterly impossible target.
You are just being emotional and failing to look at the data.
And in the end, it is ridiculous to make it a nothing-or-all question. The negative effects (to people and environment) of fossil fuels scale linearly with the amount of their use. The idea of having to go to zero is a complete strawman.
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Yes it is, just give it a couple of more years until all industry moves out of Europe into US and China, and you can live in your green utopia :palm: This is what happens when you make decisions based on ideology instead of common sense.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 02:56:10 pm ---Yes it is, just give it a couple of more years until all industry moves out of Europe into US and China, and you can live in your green utopia :palm: This is what happens when you make decisions based on ideology instead of common sense.
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This is an engineering forum. You can go somewhere else if you want to label people into identity politic bins instead of talking about the reality, engineering and numbers.
What you call "common sense" is especially dangerous. Energy production and consumption is far beyond something that can be engineered using "common sense". (How do you even explain nuclear power with "common sense"?) It requires rigorous engineering and scientific approach. Which you clearly seem to hate, and it's your loss.
It is exactly you, and only you here, who makes decisions based on ideology, because that is what your "common sense" really is. I make decisions based on engineering, research, and facts.
asmi:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on April 13, 2023, 03:14:27 pm ---This is an engineering forum. You can go somewhere else if you want to label people into identity politic bins instead of talking about the reality, engineering and numbers.
What you call "common sense" is especially dangerous. Energy production and consumption is far beyond something that can be engineered using "common sense". (How do you even explain nuclear power with "common sense"?) It requires rigorous engineering and scientific approach. Which you clearly seem to hate, and it's your loss.
It is exactly you, and only you here, who makes decisions based on ideology, because that is what your "common sense" really is. I make decisions based on engineering, research, and facts.
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It's funny how ideologs like to project :-DD No, what I'm saying is hard facts, not ideology. But then again, we're talking about the very same country which believed they are the Arians - the superior race - not too long ago on historical scale. So I'm not surprised how easily they got indocrinated into believing into all this green energy nonsense.
Note that it wasn't me who went into ad-hominem attacks :-DD This is what happens when ideologs run out of rational arguments.
Neutrion:
--- Quote from: asmi on April 13, 2023, 03:38:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on April 13, 2023, 03:14:27 pm ---This is an engineering forum. You can go somewhere else if you want to label people into identity politic bins instead of talking about the reality, engineering and numbers.
What you call "common sense" is especially dangerous. Energy production and consumption is far beyond something that can be engineered using "common sense". (How do you even explain nuclear power with "common sense"?) It requires rigorous engineering and scientific approach. Which you clearly seem to hate, and it's your loss.
It is exactly you, and only you here, who makes decisions based on ideology, because that is what your "common sense" really is. I make decisions based on engineering, research, and facts.
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It's funny how ideologs like to project :-DD No, what I'm saying is hard facts, not ideology. But then again, we're talking about the very same country which believed they are the Arians - the superior race - not too long ago on historical scale. So I'm not surprised how easily they got indocrinated into believing into all this green energy nonsense.
Note that it wasn't me who went into ad-hominem attacks :-DD This is what happens when ideologs run out of rational arguments.
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So far you did not provide any technical counterarguments, just the runt against the germans in general.
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