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IanB:

--- Quote from: eti on November 23, 2022, 01:06:24 am ---Brilliant. And also naive. People should be rewarded financially for their own personal inventions, where they’ve invested vast amounts of time and personal money into developing an invention no one has considered up until then. Utopia never works. That is a daydream.
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On the contrary, people should be penalized for being so slow and inefficient in their work. They should lose out to people who can develop the same products faster, more efficiently, and at lower cost. Everyone benefits from this, especially consumers, who can pay lower prices.

If you spend time and money on something, it is not an invention, it is product development. An invention is a lightbulb moment, something that happens instantaneously, a concept that nobody has thought of before. Go through the catalog of patents published in a given year. You will find that nearly all of them are the entirely obvious result of applying deductive reasoning to a given problem statement.

I contend that there is not much left in the world that nobody has already thought of. People have thought of almost everything, and so the patent system is a relic of a distant past that has little relevance today.

There are a few new and original things that are invented, but they constitute only a tiny fraction of patent applications.

T3sl4co1l:
So there's no incentive to invent anything at all?  Cool.

I suppose you've never seen your hard-earned work copied effortlessly and for pennies on the dollar by Chinese suppliers?  (Not saying I have personally, but I have seen others.)

Ed: heh, case in point, this thread just popped up on the unread-posts list, by coincidence: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/saleae-prices/

Tim

eti:

--- Quote from: IanB on November 23, 2022, 01:25:39 am ---
--- Quote from: eti on November 23, 2022, 01:06:24 am ---Brilliant. And also naive. People should be rewarded financially for their own personal inventions, where they’ve invested vast amounts of time and personal money into developing an invention no one has considered up until then. Utopia never works. That is a daydream.
--- End quote ---

On the contrary, people should be penalized for being so slow and inefficient in their work. They should lose out to people who can develop the same products faster, more efficiently, and at lower cost. Everyone benefits from this, especially consumers, who can pay lower prices.

If you spend time and money on something, it is not an invention, it is product development. An invention is a lightbulb moment, something that happens instantaneously, a concept that nobody has thought of before. Go through the catalog of patents published in a given year. You will find that nearly all of them are the entirely obvious result of applying deductive reasoning to a given problem statement.

I contend that there is not much left in the world that nobody has already thought of. People have thought of almost everything, and so the patent system is a relic of a distant past that has little relevance today.

There are a few new and original things that are invented, but they constitute only a tiny fraction of patent applications.

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** This is such a basic logical fallacy that it almost beggars belief. Only things that have been thought of, have been thought of. The things that have yet to be thought of, haven't yet been thought of, ergo it's absolutely impossible to quantify how much is left to be thought of (or discovered, for want of a more correct term), since it has not yet been thought of.

The sum of all human knowledge accrued to date, is analogous to a single atom in a universe of, well, many many atoms. We can't know what we don't know, and since we only know what we know, we can't know what we DON'T know, and what we may never know. General human arrogance (not meaning you) is astonishingly amusing, as it assumes WE are the beginning, middle and end of all that ever was and ever will be. And I say... LOL!

eti:

--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on November 23, 2022, 01:47:08 am ---So there's no incentive to invent anything at all?  Cool.

I suppose you've never seen your hard-earned work copied effortlessly and for pennies on the dollar by Chinese suppliers?  (Not saying I have personally, but I have seen others.)

Ed: heh, case in point, this thread just popped up on the unread-posts list, by coincidence: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/saleae-prices/

Tim

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Yep. Exactly. It's easy to glibly rattle off trite, entitled commentary when one hasn't done the work or made any personal sacrifice.

IanB:

--- Quote from: eti on November 23, 2022, 02:03:11 am ---** This is such a basic logical fallacy that it almost beggars belief. Only things that have been thought of, have been thought of. The things that have yet to be thought of, haven't yet been thought of, ergo it's absolutely impossible to quantify how much is left to be thought of (or discovered, for want of a more correct term), since it has not yet been thought of.
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It is indeed possible to quantify. Just read patents. Go look at them. You will observe that 99% of them are obvious and contain no invention at all. If patents were restricted to the 1% of things that are truly original and inventive, that would be one thing, but that is patently not the case (pun intended). Patents are a game played by big corporations with expensive lawyers so they can trade poker hands against one another. Individuals just get squashed underfoot and left by the wayside.

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