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"Giving away secrets" of electronics?

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tom66:

--- Quote from: IanB on November 23, 2022, 01:25:39 am ---On the contrary, people should be penalized for being so slow and inefficient in their work. They should lose out to people who can develop the same products faster, more efficiently, and at lower cost. Everyone benefits from this, especially consumers, who can pay lower prices.

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Indeed.  And you should be able to patent something if you can, say, fit the description of the invention and claims on two whole pages of A4, with a further four pages for diagrams only. 

Patents nowadays are so complicated that it is essentially impossible to make anything without possibly infringing a sub-claim of an extremely broad patent issued 10 years ago, never used, and sold on to a patent troll.

I'd also change the legal system for patent lawsuits where the loser in the suit pays the legal fees of the company/individual they sue (currently, each pay their own), which would dissuade trolling.

I'd also like to see patents released if no commercial use of the patent can be demonstrated after say 10 years but admit that's hard to enforce.

niconiconi:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 23, 2022, 08:58:34 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on November 23, 2022, 01:25:39 am ---On the contrary, people should be penalized for being so slow and inefficient in their work. They should lose out to people who can develop the same products faster, more efficiently, and at lower cost. Everyone benefits from this, especially consumers, who can pay lower prices.

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Patents nowadays are so complicated that it is essentially impossible to make anything without possibly infringing a sub-claim of an extremely broad patent issued 10 years ago, never used, and sold on to a patent troll.

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*cough* *cough* US software patents... have some of the most notorious examples.

jonpaul:
Bonjour a tous: I have a lot of experience in this! A moment please to clarify some confusion:

Copyright: .  A work of art, music, text, books, etc. Fair use doctrine allows republication and copy use if credit is granted to the (C) owner or if the work is modified.
Life is long but not unlimited

Trademark: The words or appearance of a distinctive mark to distinguish uniquelt the product or service eg Coca-Cola and the unique logo. Never expires!

Patent:   One definition is  new combination of existing components  that achieves a new, useful  and unexpected  result.
See USC 35 for definitions and law.
99.999 % of all patents are worthless, never enforced or licensed.
Notice that patents are regional or national:The  USA or EU patent  can be enforced if the device or invention is made, sold or used in the region eg USA or EU. BUT  is NOT enforceable outside the region, eg in China,
20 yrs validity.
A tiny fraction of patents are very valuable think of Ray DOLBY.

Hope that you find this useful!

Bon Journee,

Jon

PS:  since 1970s, we invented,   patented  Pro Se (no lawyer) seven patents.
One in  1990s was negotiated or  litigated 160 times, in my favor.
$ went  to lawyers, licensing firms or co inventors!

jpanhalt:

--- Quote from: Faringdon on November 21, 2022, 07:19:40 pm ---Its bare basic , “electrician level” electronics, but tomorrow, I am being taken to their customer, to answer questions about “giving away secrets”…in relation to these bog standard hard switched converters.

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It's now a day after "tomorrow."   How did it go?

pcprogrammer:
Now he has to call Liam Neeson, because he has been TAKEN to the customer :-DD

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